# Trolls R Us Resurrections (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 11, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518 "2021-09-11T17:26:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 150
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7460 "2022-09-10T05:33:52Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > For a few months, only to come back and bump a thread and then complain that he wasn’t **bumping** it, it’s just that he has utter disdain for all of us and so doesn’t bother checking in frequently. It is worse than that, damur complained that I should not get the last word in the ATMB thread, so that is why he **had** to bump it. It was that pathetic… ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7461 "2022-09-10T07:58:23Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Oh, Flight Attendant! I speak _Hive_. 😁 > [@octopus](#): > > It takes 0 resources to not stalk, just saying. Says one of the Board’s stalkers. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7462 "2022-09-10T09:23:36Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > [being a literal shithead](https://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/50774/does-the-octopus-have-an-anus-what-does-it-look-like) can do that to any mollusk I see from the diagram that the anus of the octopus is located right beside its ink sac, which is fitting as its communications issue from both. ---
**Author:** ![omenran](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omenran/32/3318_2.png) [@omenran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/omenran)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7463 "2022-09-10T10:28:04Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Final finally, if you are the same poster who recommended selling at the lowest stock market price in recent history I’m not sure your economic ‘analysis’ is worth anything. From the thread you linked to: > [@Stock Markets, Tariffs, Coronavirus](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stock-markets-tariffs-coronavirus/848451/180): > > I completely refute Octopuses assertion. The markets are still in free fall, so now is the right time to _hold_ > > And I refute the “10 year horizon” statement of “any time is a good time to buy” as one can look at DJIA history and find 10-year flat periods with ease. I see no mention of selling by JohnT. One could argue that perhaps buying would be a smarter move at that moment, but if one thought the market would drop further, why buy right then? (It does appear Mar 2020 was the low point for the DJIA, but it remained low if slowly rising the rest of the year. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7464 "2022-09-10T11:18:34Z")
Is this going to be your go to response whenever anyone tries to engage you? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7465 "2022-09-10T18:04:25Z")
> [@omenran](#): > > I see no mention of selling by JohnT. One could argue that perhaps buying would be a smarter move at that moment, but if one thought the market would drop further, why buy right then? (It does appear Mar 2020 was the low point for the DJIA, but it remained low if slowly rising the rest of the year. Remember, my theses is that, as an economic unit, Octopus is a negative contributor to this Board’s balance sheet and income statements. And what you quoted goes to that. Let me explain… Octopus, in an effort to deflect my argument that he is an economic liability, accused me of telling people to sell their stock in the March, 2020, freefall. I asked him for a cite, knowing that I did no such thing, and he quotes the Stock Market Corona thread as proof. He did this knowing that I would have to spend my time refuting him. But here’s the thing: the entire accusation was a lie to begin with. Had Octopus been honest, he would have withdrawn the silly charge above _because he did so in the cited thread_. Let me quote our exchange, in full. You do not have to expand the links to get the flow of the conversation, btw: > [@Stock Markets, Tariffs, Coronavirus](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stock-markets-tariffs-coronavirus/848451/182): > > Unlike those who advocate for a nanny state I believe you have the choice to manage your life as you wish. My advice is still much better than those who hyperventilate every time a headline has bold letters and an exclamation point. > [@Stock Markets, Tariffs, Coronavirus](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stock-markets-tariffs-coronavirus/848451/184): > > So, your only reassurance that you are correct is, not one, but two generalized insults? Here are my citations that buying in this market is a losers game: … to that last… Some posts, then this occurred: > [@Stock Markets, Tariffs, Coronavirus](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stock-markets-tariffs-coronavirus/848451/189): > > Yet, productivity and progress keep moving forward! What, precisely, is your investment strategy? I don’t know about you but my crystal ball, my tea leaves, my duck entrails don’t work to find absolute minimums or maximums in markets. And since I don’t buy nor sell at one period in time I don’t care about extrema in any event. In long term investing you can’t be guided by emotions, hysteria, or bad information. Tell me, what are you doing with your retirement accounts? What’s your age? Are y… > [@Stock Markets, Tariffs, Coronavirus](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stock-markets-tariffs-coronavirus/848451/191): > > Again, you’re fantasizing, making up things, and accusing me of them. Since when did I ever, ever mention “my investing strategy”? My investment strategy? I was born to a wealthy family. Lots of inheritance money in accounts I barely even look at, just have my guy rebalance them. Cool trick if you can manage it. I even get a free dinner every year and invites to the money managers swank Christmas party! > [@Stock Markets, Tariffs, Coronavirus](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stock-markets-tariffs-coronavirus/848451/192): > > So what are you advocating folks to do? You are saying I live in fantasy land but you aren’t offering any practical advice? Stick your neck out just a little. > [@Stock Markets, Tariffs, Coronavirus](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stock-markets-tariffs-coronavirus/848451/193): > > I said this was the time to hold, not sell, nor buy. If you’re doing a DCA, continue it. If you’re trying to time the market, stop. I would like to note that you literally responded to my “The markets are still in free fall, so now is the right time to hold” comment, and then 10-odd posts later, you challenge me to give my advice. :rolleyes: > [@Stock Markets, Tariffs, Coronavirus](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stock-markets-tariffs-coronavirus/848451/194): > > Oops! Well I stand corrected. My apologies. slight_smile > [@Stock Markets, Tariffs, Coronavirus](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stock-markets-tariffs-coronavirus/848451/195): > > No problem, my friend. As far as personal investing is concerned, we are on the same page. But ones returns are a function of historical timing, which is uncontrollable. (“DCA” in the above stands for [dollar cost averaging](https://www.finra.org/investors/insights/dollar-cost-averaging).) I mean, this entire exchange was the complete and utter opposite of what he said it was. And it’s this _lying_ which exacts an economic cost on every poster he lies about and to. He imposed a cost on me for having to defend this shit, he imposes costs on the mods who are now presented with yet another example of his negative value to the SDMB as well as an outright violation of the ‘don’t be a jerk’ rule, my God, as a business case analysis, Mr Sprint 1,000, you’re just a financial disaster for this place. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7466 "2022-09-10T18:20:14Z")
Here’s a new thread for non-squidbot discussion of trolls > [@Trolls RU Again, The sequel](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-ru-again-the-sequel/971334): > > Following in the footsteps of this wise poster I am splitting off a new thread for troll watching. This is where to discuss trolling. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7467 "2022-09-10T18:43:34Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > And it’s this _lying_ which exacts an economic cost on every poster he lies about and to. He imposed a cost on me for having to defend this shit And it costs him nothing, as he refuses to ever back up his claims. This forces others to try to do his homework for him, find what he may be referring to, and then explain why his claim is wrong. All he has to do is to say, “That’s not what I was referring to” and expect the scavenger hunt to go on. I still remember an exchange I had with him when he was relatively new to the board (and I wasn’t that much less so) where we had a useful and productive conversation where we agreed on more than we disagreed. That was the last time I’ve seen him contribute anything meaningful, and for the last 5 years at least, probably longer, his presence here has been only to insult the members and staff of this board with his unsubstantiated accusations. I really don’t understand what he gets out of it, and even less, what _we_ get out of it. He’s one of only two posters I have on permanent ignore, and yet, he still manages to suck all the air out of any thread he shoves his little mollusk tentacles into. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7468 "2022-09-10T20:47:57Z")
Maybe we ought to listen to this guy. That first sentence goes directly to my point, less the economics of it all: > [@Giraffe Board Trouble Makers](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giraffe-board-trouble-makers/822088): > > Conceding the point that there is a legitimate gripe with regards to insensitive language or rude threads on occasion do you really want to dance for the entertainment and snark mining expeditions of vocal minority who cross post yet hold the moderators, admins, and posters here in contempt? Is there really a mystery when mods here engage with posters there about the behavior and motivations of the same group of people over a period of years? It’s a different board and I’m not saying anything c… In 2018 Octo admitted he was a drain on resources: > [@On “crime and punishment “](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/on-crime-and-punishment/822295): > > Ok. I get there is some octopus fatigue. Maybe rightfully so, but I have an idea partially but not completely inspired by the Starving Artist bad. Perhaps the deliberations involved with bannings or suspensions are actually counterproductive. Since the sanction is felt to be relatively harsh borderline cases sometimes aren’t dealt with and the time it takes to go through a penalty progression may cause others to felt like their concerns aren’t taken seriously. My proposal is a quicker trigger … Seriously, no business in America would tolerate this shit. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7469 "2022-09-10T21:48:03Z")
The presence of the Pit is proof otherwise. Think about it. It’s meant to generate and sustain drama. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7470 "2022-09-10T22:22:39Z")
Here’s the next gen thread for those discussing their fascination with their assigned roles for comedic put downs amid twerking for likes. > [@Trolls RU Again, The sequel](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-ru-again-the-sequel/971334): > > Following in the footsteps of this wise poster I am splitting off a new thread for troll watching. This is where to discuss trolling. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7471 "2022-09-10T22:25:24Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The presence of the Pit is proof otherwise. Think about it. It’s meant to generate and sustain drama. Nope. The presence of the Pit does not make you any less a drain on Board resources. Try again. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7472 "2022-09-11T01:10:57Z")
WoW! 2kb of server space! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7473 "2022-09-11T02:54:08Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I really don’t understand what he gets out of it, Verification that he even exists, and that people respond to him. Otherwise, his life would be even more empty and meaningless. It’s sad, actually. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7474 "2022-09-11T03:11:41Z")
The sad thing is the demand for an echo chamber. Sad and pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7475 "2022-09-11T03:15:18Z")
Well, your right wing echo chamber is demanded by guys like you; yes, it is sad. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7476 "2022-09-11T03:24:38Z")
That’s obviously untrue. Guys like me demand the opposite of an echo chamber. That’s why I post at a place where I have a minority view. I don’t demand homogeneity of thought. C’mon now. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7477 "2022-09-11T03:42:11Z")
Uh, like you pointing at the caricature that the right is doing with CRT and claiming it was not bullshit is not an example of the hive you want to propagate. What you miss is clear, the quantity of bullshit pushed by the leadership of the Republican Party is bigger by many factors to the one that Democrats push. Your big mistake is to assume that groups that by their nature are dedicated to fact-check stuff would see both parties as having a very similar quantity and quality of issues, the reality is that most who are skeptical in nature are currently seeing more issues with the bullshit that the Republicans and most conservatives are pushing. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7478 "2022-09-11T03:45:20Z")
I’m not following your reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7479 "2022-09-11T04:00:29Z")
Just the CRT example is enough, already in the tread there was an example of an Asian researcher that showed the bad things China was doing to the Uyghurs, besides that being an item that should blow your head, it makes clear that the caricature the right has about CRT was poppycock. It was clear that to make the sick narrative from the right to work, a ton of information and context about what CRT was doing was **willfully** omitted by the sources of information you rely on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518.md?page=149) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518.md?page=151)