# Trolls R Us Resurrections (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 11, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518 "2021-09-11T17:26:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 192
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/8300 "2023-01-25T14:37:34Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Starts with an h. homily? ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/8301 "2023-01-25T14:38:02Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > No, no–what do you call a word with the same pronunciation as the intended word, but a different spelling and meaning? Starts with an h. Very meta. Mind blown. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/8302 "2023-01-25T14:40:15Z")
Have you never meta homonym before? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/8303 "2023-01-25T14:44:17Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > No, no–what do you call a word with the same pronunciation as the intended word, but a different spelling and meaning? Starts with an h. Homophone. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/8304 "2023-01-25T14:49:05Z")
Hirsutism? ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/8305 "2023-01-25T14:53:07Z")
> [@tofor](#): > > But I used the wrong word, so fair, you got me. As the posts above show, no one is mocking you for making a typo; just marveling at how apposite it was. ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/8306 "2023-01-25T15:02:03Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > No, no–what do you call a word with the same pronunciation as the intended word, but a different spelling and meaning? Starts with an h. Pretty sure you’re thinking of ‘hominem’. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/8307 "2023-01-25T15:04:05Z")
I think _homophone_ is the winner, here, and that the rest of us were just screwing around 😉 > **[Homonym vs Homophone - Difference and Comparison | Diffen](https://www.diffen.com/difference/Homonym_vs_Homophone)** > > In linguistics, a homonym is one of a group of words that share the same spelling and the same pronunciation but have different meanings. This usually happens as a result of the two words having different origins. The state of being a homonym is... ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/8308 "2023-01-25T15:08:45Z")
There is no consensus on whether a homonym means a word that is both a homophone _and_ a homograph, or whether a homonym can be either a homophone _or_ a homograph. > **[Homonym](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homonym)** > > In linguistics, homonyms are words which are either homographs – words that have the same spelling (regardless of pronunciation) – or homophones – words that have the same pronunciation (regardless of spelling) –, or both. Using this definition, the words row (propel with oars), row (a linear arrangement) and row (an argument) are homonyms because they are homographs (though only the first two are homophones): so are the words see (vision) and sea (body of water), because they are homophones ( A ... ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/8309 "2023-01-25T15:11:38Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > There is no consensus on whether a homonym means a word that is both a homophone _and_ a homograph, or whether a homonym can be either a homophone _or_ a homograph. Yup. Homonym has different definitions–but one of them is funnier in this context than the other, so obv that’s the one to use. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/8310 "2023-01-25T15:14:18Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Homonym has different definitions Either that or it’s two different words that are spelled the same and pronounced the same. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/8311 "2023-01-25T15:20:10Z")
I definitely knew what you meant, but was under the impression that the distinction between _homonym_ and _homophone_ was more of a bright line than it, apparently, is. Which, of course, means that everything else I thought I knew is called into question. Shit. ETA: People Like Me apparently have a lobbying group: > Some people feel that the use of _homonym_ should be restricted to words that are spelled alike but are different in pronunciation and meaning, such as the _bow_ of a ship and the _bow_ that shoots arrows. [**SOURCE**](https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/homophones-vs-homographs-vs-homonyms) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/8312 "2023-01-25T15:21:03Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Which, of course, means that everything else I thought I knew is called into question. _Ad humility_? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/8313 "2023-01-25T15:23:33Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > People Like Me You don’t need a lobbying group, we all like you. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/8314 "2023-01-25T15:27:31Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > _Ad humility_? [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52648832880_a51543392a_b.jpg "SmartSelect\_20230125-092649\_Messages") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/68782016@N08/52648832880/) ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/8315 "2023-01-25T15:34:46Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > You don’t need a lobbying group, we all like you. Awe, shucks (as in: removing oysters from their shells). > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > _Ad humility_? Yeah, I LOL’d at that one. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/8316 "2023-01-25T16:37:00Z")
> [@tofor](#): > > > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > > > No, no–what do you call a word with the same pronunciation as the intended word, but a different spelling and meaning? Starts with an h. > > Pretty sure you’re thinking of ‘hominem’. No, you’re all thinking of “hominin”. Except we’ve no idea which hominins have used words, though we’re pretty sure we’ve been the only ones who bothered spelling them. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/8317 "2023-01-25T16:39:22Z")
Not to be confused with _Ad homina homina homina_, used when caught in a lie or exaggeration. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/8318 "2023-01-25T16:41:28Z")
Well, we are talking ads. And ads are filled with lies and exaggerations. LIKE MY AD HOMINEY, Y’ALL! [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52648489334_3af16221d8_b.jpg "Cerealine-Ad-1907") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/68782016@N08/52648489334/) ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/8319 "2023-01-25T16:52:34Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Is there a name for such a word? Homonym, of course. Perhaps that’s what they meant by ad hominem attack. I’m not sure where advertising is involved, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518.md?page=191) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518.md?page=193)