# Trolls R Us Resurrections (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 11, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518 "2021-09-11T17:26:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4860 "2021-10-27T11:21:13Z")
> [@Temporary\_Name](#): > > But **gandrews3367** had the starch to say his piece where he knew it would not likely be well received. Even if he did it in a slightly confrontational manner, I admire him for saying what [I believe] he truly believes - even in the Lion’s Den! It takes zero starch to be confrontational on an anonymous internet forum. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4861 "2021-10-27T12:00:01Z")
tl;dr ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4862 "2021-10-27T12:13:40Z")
Turns out gandrews was indeed a trock though. Who would have thought it? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4863 "2021-10-27T12:17:44Z")
As Fry would say, I’m shocked! Shocked! Well, not that shocked. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4864 "2021-10-27T12:23:19Z")
I’m not even a little stunned or anything myself. I do wonder who the original poster was though. Too many to choose from. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4865 "2021-10-27T12:30:42Z")
Was that madsircool? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4866 "2021-10-27T12:35:48Z")
I’m going to guess yes, since MSC was also just banned for socking. MSC wasn’t my favorite poster, but he never struck me as a total loon, like gandrews. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4867 "2021-10-27T12:58:17Z")
Two different socking incidents, handled by two different mods on the same day. Not related to the best of my knowledge. I think that is all I should say. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4868 "2021-10-27T13:15:22Z")
Man. Well-established, active posters don’t get banned for socking very often. Twist! ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4869 "2021-10-27T13:43:43Z")
Yeah, but Max is into polishing Republican turds. It’s his thing. ---
**Author:** ![Temporary\_Name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Temporary\_Name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Temporary_Name)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4870 "2021-10-27T14:29:15Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > It takes zero starch to be confrontational on an anonymous internet forum. This does not match my experience in real life in all cases. I understand that it is “safe” to bay at the moon on controversial topics when everything is anonymous, that one does not risk physical harm. But some people are fragile and for them to stand up and say something dear to their heart despite opposition is a remarkably difficult and brave thing to do. I do not claim that **3367** falls into this category necessarily, but for some it is quite a challenge to contradict others. In fact I know of some who would rather face physical harm than have to make an unpopular public pronouncement even if it is a core belief for them personally. While your point that many abuse anonymity to promote very wrong minded positions is valid, all people are not the same. I truly believe that all generalizations break down at some point, and this particular one is viewed as much more universal than it actually is in real life. One brush and one color cannot paint the entirety of humanity in my view. (Well, I suppose it can- but it should not in my opinion.) > [@naita](#): > > tl;dr Thank You! That was just the response I was looking for! > [@What\_Exit](#): > > Turns out gandrews was indeed a **trock** though. > [@RitterSport](#): > > I’m going to guess yes, since MSC was also just banned for **socking**. I am sorry, but I am not familiar with the two terms that I bolded in the quotes above. It is obvious from context that they refer to some unacceptable behavior (or maybe state of being?) but I do not know what particular behavior. Would someone please clue me into the lingo? Feel free to add in other common terms that a guy who still has a flip-phone should know. (Chances are I don’t know those term either.) ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4871 "2021-10-27T14:32:05Z")
> [@Temporary\_Name](#): > > I am sorry, but I am not familiar with the two terms that I bolded in the quotes above. It is obvious from context that they refer to some unacceptable behavior (or maybe state of being?) but I do not know what particular behavior. Would someone please clue me into the lingo? Feel free to add in other common terms that a guy who still has a flip-phone should know. (Chances are I don’t know those term either.) Socking is the act of posting through an alternate account, a sock puppet. It’s a zero-tolerance offense against board rules. A poster that appears to be both someone’s sock puppet and posting just to get a rise out of people (i.e. trolling) is a troll and a sock, or trock for short. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4872 "2021-10-27T14:32:45Z")
Try this [glossary](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beginners-guide-to-glossary-of-terms-on-straight-dope-message-boards/307442) for common terms. And though “trock” isn’t listed there, it’s someone who is both a troll and a sock. ---
**Author:** ![Temporary\_Name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Temporary\_Name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Temporary_Name)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4873 "2021-10-27T14:38:27Z")
My thanks to you both. Upon seeing the answer it is so obvious that I should have figured it out myself – but I promise I never would have. (Especially the combined one!) And now I have a whole other thread to pursue! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4874 "2021-10-27T14:51:17Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Man. Well-established, active posters don’t get banned for socking very often. Twist! Not every sock is a returning bannee. Sometimes an established poster just creates a backup presence (for whatever purpose, I can’t speculate). I’m sure that those are rarer, though. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4875 "2021-10-27T15:13:51Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Yeah, but Max is into polishing Republican turds. It’s his thing. We’ve got 10 **asahi** s (i.e. emotionally fragile and mentally borderline equivalents) for every slightly tone deaf **Max S**. Maybe we can take it down a notch and not blast every slightly opposing view from orbit? Ferchrissake… **Max S.** wasn’t even defending **3367** ’s positions. And I never would have made the time or effort that **Temporary\_Name** made in responding to **3367**. It was quite clear from the start that it was done through sheer force of will and gritted teeth. But it was refreshing that someone tried, just for a fucking change of pace. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4876 "2021-10-27T15:29:15Z")
I’m done with appeasing enablers. I’m not in favor of banning contradicting viewpoints but I’m not going to make any effort to make those people feel good about themselves, must less encourage them to stick around. And before you try to “both sides” this, I have a challenge. Find me ONE conservative message board or forum that welcomes or even tolerates liberal viewpoints as a matter of stated policy. I bet you can’t. I’ve looked. They all have rules like “no calling other conservatives names” or “no bashing conservative views”. That’s why the conservatives whining about how “this board is a liberal bubble” can go fuck themselves. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4877 "2021-10-27T15:41:16Z")
**Ann** , you know I love ya (or if you don’t I need to up my game — but that’s another conversation). But, as great (articulate, thoughtful, and readable) as your posts are, I often find myself maddeningly distracted by your tendency to grant the descriptor of “conservative” to reactionaries whose actions and blather are as radical as anything Abby Hoffman ever did. To be sure, it’s not just you. You just strike me as being sharp enough that you arguably know about their radicalism. (#prescriptivismrox) ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4878 "2021-10-27T15:45:14Z")
Good fucking point. I guess I am subconsciously going for appeasement even as I fail against it……it’s hard to shake that “I’m a people person” thing. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4879 "2021-10-27T15:48:08Z")
Are you calling out **Max S.** as some sort of radical? That dude is awkward bastard, at worst. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518.md?page=21)