# Trolls R Us Resurrections (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 11, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518 "2021-09-11T17:26:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4920 "2021-10-28T22:26:27Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Was Nat Turner justified rising in rebellion? Yes. Was he justified in killing women and children as a calculated (purportedly) act of terror? Nope. Nat Turner, as a slave, is not responsible for any of his actions. His owner is morally culpable for anything his slave does. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4921 "2021-10-28T22:31:55Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > There’s no possible way you or I could judge the actions of someone held in bondage and subject to daily brutality and rape. Sure I can. And I do. In a very few specific instances I’m a moral absolutist and this is one of them. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > “hey, I know you were brutalized every day for decades and watched your children beaten and raped before they were scattered and never to be seen again, but did you have to be so hard on those white people?” No excuses for the slaughter of children. Absolutely none. And it’s potentially not just white children, even if you want to limit your stance to the very specific institution of American chattel slavery. I mean I assume for consistency’s sake your opinion would be the same if rebelling slaves were butchering the children of [Cherokee slave holders](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_slave_ownership#Cherokee). ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4922 "2021-10-28T22:42:36Z")
The murder of children is tragic. And entirely the fault of the slave-owners. One could quibble if Nat Turner is still a slave, but until a slave is unambiguously free, I tend to think they are not responsible for anything that happens. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4923 "2021-10-28T22:48:30Z")
‘Extremism in Defense of Liberty is no Vice…’ ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4924 "2021-10-28T22:50:44Z")
Morality goes out the window in a slave society. No one can judge how a slave acts in such a society. In a chattel slave society, the moral responsibility for anything and everything bad that happens having anything to do with a slave lies 100% with the slave owners and slavery supporters. There are no exceptions. A slave could rise up and, in their rage and despair at everything they witnessed and suffered, murder every single baby on Earth, and the fault would entirely lie with the slave owners and slavery supporters. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4925 "2021-10-28T22:57:47Z")
We don’t hold people with mental illnesses responsible for what they do if it’s caused by their mental illness. And rightly so. Do you seriously think that someone subject to daily brutalization, who’s had their family ripped apart in front of them, who may have witnessed their children raped and murdered, is gonna be acting in their right mind all the time? That’s why morality goes out the window in a chattel slave society. That’s why such societies are so profoundly immoral. That kind of routine brutality begets endless violence and suffering. Humans can only take so much. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4926 "2021-10-28T22:58:38Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > The murder of children is tragic. And entirely the fault of the slave-owners. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > A slave could rise up and, in their rage and despair at everything they witnessed and suffered, murder every single baby on Earth, and the fault would entirely lie with the slave owners and slavery supporters. The oppressors are certainly morally culpable for the acts of those that wield the knife. But the flip side, that those that wield the knife are therefore absolved of blame, does not hold for me. But I have no intention of going at this hammer and tong for thirty posts. My opinion is just that and this is a far-off-the-beaten-path hijack of even this random omnibus thread. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4927 "2021-10-28T23:09:02Z")
Yeah, this is an unneeded hijack. Back on topic: if a slave trolls on this board, do we ban the slave or their master? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4928 "2021-10-28T23:14:29Z")
Not as a mod, but as a poster reading along. Can you please take this interesting hijack to its own thread? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4929 "2021-10-28T23:26:07Z")
Yeah I think it’s an interesting discussion, maybe a great one for GD. And it has nothing to do with trolls. The suggestion that Max\_S is a troll because he doesn’t find white supremacy inherently detestable is the closest that discussion ever got to this thread topic, and itself had nothing to do with slavery, let alone the morality of a rebelling slave’s actions. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4930 "2021-10-29T02:18:59Z")
New poster likes Elon Musk. I’m sure he’s completely legit. `[https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-elon-musk/953433](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-elon-musk/953433) ---
**Author:** ![TheGunIsMightierThanThePen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thegunismightierthanthepen/32/2981_2.png) [@TheGunIsMightierThanThePen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheGunIsMightierThanThePen)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4931 "2021-10-29T03:02:15Z")
Combative attitude in his [thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-or-former-socialist-utopias/953437) about socialist utopias too. This trock’s coming in with guns blazing. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4932 "2021-10-29T03:18:26Z")
You’ve gotta take a little time A little time to think things over You better read between the lines In case you need it when you’re older You wanna know what socialism is You want us to show you You wanna feel what socialism is You know we can show you ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4933 "2021-10-29T03:38:51Z")
Folks. Don’t feed the troll. He’ll be gone soon enough. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4934 "2021-10-29T04:03:07Z")
> [@TheGunIsMightierThanThePen](#): > > Combative attitude in his [thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/current-or-former-socialist-utopias/953437) about socialist utopias too. This trock’s coming in with guns blazing. And the thread has been closed. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4935 "2021-10-29T12:47:46Z")
Closed and cornfielded. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4936 "2021-10-29T13:04:14Z")
I think we did a pretty good job with that one! It definitely didn’t get what it wanted. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4937 "2021-10-29T13:08:18Z")
So, did we ever figure out what Socialism was? 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4938 "2021-10-29T13:11:47Z")
'When Socialists complain about Capitalism, they describe Capitalism. When Capitalists complain about Socialism, they describe Capitalism.’ So… probably not. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/4939 "2021-10-29T13:13:15Z")
I was getting ready to tell him, but then the mods seized the means of conversation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518.md?page=24)