# Trolls R Us Resurrections (Part 1)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [September 11, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518 "2021-09-11T17:26:17Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2023, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/9945 "2023-07-17T23:48:34Z")
Ashes, there needs to be ashes.
I tend to agree with @silenus that that poster was being a troll. The anti-union post felt deliberative provocative to me. Maybe they simply failed to read the room and wanted to spur discussion. I think they were maliciously trying to stir shit. The fact that they jumped straight to broad-brushing seems like maximizing the area of effect to upset the most number of people possible.
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### Author:  [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)
#### Post date: [July 18, 2023, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/9946 "2023-07-18T06:23:18Z")
I also think it was trollish. Having a hardline anti-union stance is not in-and-of-itself trollish. Evil, sure, but not _trollish_ evil.
Posting it in _that_ thread, though? That was done deliberately to get a rise out of people.
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### Author:  [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)
#### Post date: [July 18, 2023, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/9947 "2023-07-18T06:52:40Z")
> [@MrDibble](#):
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> Posting it in _that_ thread, though? That was done deliberately to get a rise out of people.
For me, it was more how far they went, without even the slightest bit of acknowledgement that everyone else had been pro-union.
It reads exactly like the troll posts I see on YouTube—the ones where I have to tell everyone that they’re being trolled.
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### Author:  [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)
#### Post date: [July 18, 2023, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/9948 "2023-07-18T17:42:45Z")
I’m not calling troll (yet), but this is kind of weird. In the San Diego Comic Con thread (Cafe Society), **Zakalwe** posts about vendors getting hosed by the likely drop in attendance (post 4). Then in post 90, new poster sophia Windsor posts almost the exact same thing with different wording. It’s the same sentences, re-written like a middle schooler trying to hide that they copy/pasted from Wikipedia.
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### Author:  [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)
#### Post date: [July 18, 2023, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/9949 "2023-07-18T17:58:26Z")
Yes. That is … interesting.
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### Author:  [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)
#### Post date: [July 18, 2023, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/9950 "2023-07-18T18:42:38Z")
> [@MrDibble](#):
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> Posting it in _that_ thread, though? That was done deliberately to get a rise out of people.
“You can have any opinion you want, as long as you keep it quiet.”
Really? Can you distinguish between a minority opinion, strongly held and expressed, and trolling? Or are they the same to you?
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### Author:  [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)
#### Post date: [July 18, 2023, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/9951 "2023-07-18T18:50:40Z")
> [@gnoitall](#):
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> Really?
Yes, really.
> [@gnoitall](#):
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> Can you distinguish between a minority opinion, strongly held and expressed, and trolling?
Generally, yes.
> [@gnoitall](#):
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> Or are they the same to you?
No. Not _all_ minority opinions are obviously designed to get a rise out of the majority of posters in a thread.
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### Author:  [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)
#### Post date: [July 18, 2023, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/9952 "2023-07-18T19:13:56Z")
That one was probably a spambot or at least an AI bot.
That one is gone, gone, gone.
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### Author:  [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)
#### Post date: [July 18, 2023, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/9953 "2023-07-18T19:20:27Z")
> [@MrDibble](#):
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> > [@gnoitall](#):
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> > Can you distinguish between a minority opinion, strongly held and expressed, and trolling?
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> Generally, yes.
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> > [@gnoitall](#):
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> > Or are they the same to you?
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> No. Not _all_ minority opinions are obviously designed to get a rise out of the majority of posters in a thread.
I agree with you that a minority opinion is definitely not by itself indicative of trolling. I hold a few such opinions myself. One way to tell the difference is if the poster supports their minority position with a well-reasoned argument. This anti-union poster did not.
I don’t agree that they’re necessarily a troll, though. It sounds more like a moron of probably a right-wing persuasion who doesn’t understand what unions are for and what they do. Not every dumbass is a troll.
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### Author:  [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)
#### Post date: [July 18, 2023, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/9954 "2023-07-18T19:52:02Z")
> [@wolfpup](#):
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> It sounds more like a moron of probably a right-wing persuasion who doesn’t understand what unions are for and what they do.
That is my theory.
I am definitely not ruling out the troll theory either though.
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### Author:  [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)
#### Post date: [July 18, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/9955 "2023-07-18T21:16:57Z")
> [@silenus](#):
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> Fine, I should have posted that in the “Stupid MFers” thread. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. I grovel in the dust in shame and indignity. I rend my garments and gnash my teeth in humiliation.
Nah, I highly doubt that they’re in the news.
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### Author:  [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2023, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/9956 "2023-07-19T00:01:18Z")
> [@wolfpup](#):
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> Not every dumbass is a troll.
Hanlon’s law in action.
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### Author:  [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2023, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/9957 "2023-07-20T00:06:34Z")
I don’t usually make accusations of trollery, but the irony of our clearly-Russian-yet-fluently-English-resident-monarchist **Ivan Denisovich** heaping praise upon the Soviet Gulag is making me laugh out loud. For the unread, Ivan Denisovich was a fictional prisoner in Soviet dissident Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s novel, _One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich_. Solzhenitsyn is probably rolling over in his grave.
Given the unusual and controversial point of view, the seemingly native fluency in English (but it is strongly implied he is not “Western”), the recent join date, the tendency not to respond to any poster more than once or twice, the 6 month gap in posts, and the pure irony of that particular username, I would be surprised if this member is arguing in good faith. If he’s being honest, I tip my hat.
~Max
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### Author:  [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2023, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/9958 "2023-07-20T13:23:31Z")
> [@Max\_S](#):
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> Solzhenitsyn is probably rolling over in his grave.
Solzhenitsyn is also putting in a shift as Ivan’s avatar. I even tracked the photo down.
([A Tiny Village in Vermont Was the Perfect Spot to Hide Aleksandr Solzhenits](https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2018/summer/statement/tiny-village-in-vermont-was-the-perfect-spot-hide-aleksandr-solzhenitsyn))
> **[A Tiny Village in Vermont Was the Perfect Spot to Hide Aleksandr Solzhenits](https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2018/summer/statement/tiny-village-in-vermont-was-the-perfect-spot-hide-aleksandr-solzhenitsyn)**
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> Without distractions, he produced some of his best writing there.
j
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### Author:  [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2023, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/9959 "2023-07-20T13:34:16Z")
> [@Max\_S](#):
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> Given the unusual and controversial point of view … I would be surprised if this member is arguing in good faith.
Pot? Meet kettle.
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### Author:  [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2023, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/9960 "2023-07-20T15:20:31Z")
A post was split to a new topic: [Ivan\_Denisovich Troll posts](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ivan-denisovich-troll-posts/987306)
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### Author:  [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2023, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/9961 "2023-07-20T14:33:00Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/987306/1):
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> I do not understand the purpose of making accusations in a hidden thread
Hidden? Not well enough, obviously.
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### Author:  [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2023, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/9962 "2023-07-20T15:34:08Z")
I’m surprised a troll that was doing a fairly good job of lying low jumped into this thread. It is a big red flag for the Mod team. A little checking confirmed he was a returning troll.
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### Author:  [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2023, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/9963 "2023-07-20T15:37:07Z")
So Ivan Denisovich has been sent to the ~~Soviet~~ SDMB ~~Gulag~~ cornfield?
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### Author:  [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2023, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/9964 "2023-07-20T15:39:55Z")
I wonder if that was the Martin Hyde troll - similar high investment and effort.
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