# Trolls R Us Resurrections (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 11, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518 "2021-09-11T17:26:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 289
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/10255 "2023-08-24T19:14:20Z")
I remember I had put TOWP on ignore a long time ago. Then I took him off. I don’t remember why. I don’t encounter him directly very often, so I don’t see a reason to ignore him again. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/10256 "2023-08-24T19:25:02Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > “Deliberately posting offensive crap that he does not actually believe, in order to get reactions from others.” > > Instead, it’s possible that he’s deliberately posting offensive crap _that he actually believes_, in order to get reactions from others. Again, no. He spent days using all kinds of language to talk about how deplorable immigrants were and how he despises them. Then, when he’s confronted with that, he busts out with this “I despise them equally, that doesn’t mean I despise them” bullshit. That’s just fucking with us. He can’t possibly be sincere in that. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/10257 "2023-08-24T19:27:51Z")
You do realize that well over 30% of the Citizens of the US despise immigrants coming across the Mexican Border? Don’t fool yourself, his responses are inline with a lot of people’s responses. Just not on the SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/10258 "2023-08-24T19:34:53Z")
I fully reject the notion that “they don’t really believe it” must be a component of trolling. If I visit a right-wing board to spout my bleeding-heart liberalism all over the place because i think it’d be fun to tweak their noses, that would make me a troll. Doesn’t matter how sincere I am. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/10259 "2023-08-24T19:36:14Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > You do realize that well over 30% of the Citizens of the US despise immigrants coming across the Mexican Border? Don’t fool yourself, his responses are inline with a lot of people’s responses. Just not on the SDMB. Again, that’s not what I’m saying. It’s not his hatred of immigrants that makes him a troll, it’s his, “I didn’t say I hate them” nonsense that makes him a troll. The disingenuousness, not the repellent beliefs, are the trolly part. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/10260 "2023-08-24T19:37:07Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > If I visit a right-wing board to spout my bleeding-heart liberalism all over the place because i think it’d be fun to tweak their noses, that would make me a troll. Doesn’t matter how sincere I am. It also depends on _how_ you do it. If you calmly disagree and tell them why, it’s being a contrarian but not necessarily trolling. If you say things that you know will be inflammatory, like calling Donald Trump an America-hating traitor who would rather burn it down than admit that he’s a loser, it doesn’t matter that you believe it sincerely. You’re knowingly trolling them. TOWP falls into that latter category for me. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/10261 "2023-08-24T19:37:27Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > That’s just fucking with us. Put him on ignore. Problem solved from your end, and before long I suspect he will earn himself a ban without any help from either of us. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/10262 "2023-08-24T20:27:46Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I fully reject the notion that “they don’t really believe it” must be a component of trolling. As did [Colibri.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-trolling/544298/4) ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/10263 "2023-08-24T20:47:00Z")
As did What\_Exit > [@Magellan01 is Banned for Trolling](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-banned-for-trolling/988869/1): > > With his history and his brief sampling of posting since his return, we are banning him for trolling. **Note** : you can sincerely hold a belief and still troll. We see it too often in fact. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/10264 "2023-08-24T21:08:34Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > He spent days using all kinds of language to talk about how deplorable immigrants were and how he despises them. Then, when he’s confronted with that, he busts out with this “I despise them equally, that doesn’t mean I despise them” bullshit. I have read both of those statements you quoted over and over, and (no doubt it is my shortcoming) I can’t see the problem that so upsets you. First he says he despises them. Then he allows himself to despise them in degrees, acknowledging that there are middle grounds between being neutral about someone and the deepest level of despising possible (but the degrees are not caused by race considerations). Is that the problem, that he has degrees of despising that he didn’t talk about before? I wonder if there isn’t more context in the thread that makes it clear why this is a problem. I haven’t read the thread, so I can’t say except from what you quoted. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/10265 "2023-08-24T23:49:27Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > That’s just fucking with us. He can’t possibly be sincere in that. I tend to agree with you. I was just proposing what others may think… and suggesting that there is not much difference between the two theories in reality. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/10266 "2023-08-25T14:45:05Z")
One thing I’ve noticed while reading the thread is that TOWP hasn’t called anybody names. Sure, he’s a little smug and infuriating, but he hasn’t resorted to insults. He’s been called plenty of names, but he’s remained civil. His opinions may be provocative, but his manners are not. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/10267 "2023-08-25T14:47:15Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > His opinions may be provocative, but his manners are not. So … he’s a sea lion? ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/10268 "2023-08-25T14:49:46Z")
His opinions are fucking gross. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/10269 "2023-08-25T14:50:59Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > TOWP hasn’t called anybody names. He’s expressed satisfaction with the idea of snipers murdering children at the border, and indicated a willingness to pull the trigger himself. The most important takeaway here is that monsters can follow Emily Post, and that manners are trivial in comparison to advocacy of child-murder. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/10270 "2023-08-25T14:52:19Z")
Cite please? I suspect you are putting words in his mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/10271 "2023-08-25T15:00:11Z")
Not a troll but the language-obsessed crazy jaguar strikes me as being too young to be on the Dope. Example exchange from one of their language threads in MPSIMS: **Jag** : Why? Dopers: Here’s why. **Jag** : Why? Dopers: Here’s why. **Jag** : But why? Dopers: Here’s why. Et cetera. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/10272 "2023-08-25T15:02:22Z")
I don’t know, we might be getting through to them in the latest thread. Maybe. Speaking of the “Irish language increase or revive while Hawaiian didn’t” one in #Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/10273 "2023-08-25T15:14:11Z")
He did say he would shoot immigrants: > [@Severe Hijack, about US borders, moved to pit](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/290): > > > [@Severe Hijack, about US borders, moved to pit](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/289): > > > > Hypothetically, if you were in uniform manning an official guard tower with a rifle, would you take the shot yourself > > ⁢ > > Of course; it’d be pretty damned hypocritical of me to ask someone else to do it if I were unwilling to do it myself. ⁢ And it fits with his earlier statement that he values keeping out immigrants more than he does human life. The guy isn’t just someone who is anti-immigrant. He’s pro killing anyone who crosses the border illegally. Yeah, I think it’s his legitimate opinion. But we also had a legitimate Nazi, and they got banned for saying Nazi stuff. The statement by the Pit mod at the time (Miller, I think, but maybe Gfactor) was that it was just too evil to permit. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/10274 "2023-08-25T15:21:04Z")
Fair, but the murdering children part was indeed added by LHOD. Well, I unleashed that mess on The Pit, so it is now in Miller’s domain. Thus far he follows the board’s rules and doesn’t cause trouble in general. But if that is beyond the pale for the Pit, up to Miller to decide. It is pretty gruesome. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518.md?page=288) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518.md?page=290)