# Trolls R Us Resurrections (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 11, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518 "2021-09-11T17:26:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2022, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5220 "2022-01-06T17:44:57Z")
That’s a surprisingly well-reasoned argument… for a comment on a message board. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2022, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5221 "2022-01-06T17:59:21Z")
Says the commenter on a messageboard. It’s messageboard comments all the way down. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2022, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5222 "2022-01-06T20:27:55Z")
This is all getting too Facebook for me. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2022, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5223 "2022-01-06T20:42:15Z")
Only on da Dope could the conversation have taken such a turn! 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2022, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5224 "2022-01-06T21:24:39Z")
One of the things I love about this place…! ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5225 "2022-01-07T01:47:30Z")
The JFK assassination files thread in GD features some stellar entries by Omniscent and PozhanPop. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5226 "2022-01-07T02:35:00Z")
Since the thread is closed, I’ll go ahead and link it - > [@Why did everyone seem to forget about the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone, and why didn't it have as big an impact as the Jan 6 riot?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-everyone-seem-to-forget-about-the-capital-hill-autonomous-zone-and-why-didnt-it-have-as-big-an-impact-as-the-jan-6-riot/957290): > > Apologies for the potentially inflammatory topic, but I’m not American and find one thing a bit confusing. On all the news sites there is all this doom and gloom about Jan 6 as the “end of democracy” and other similar overly cynical headlines. Strangely, I can not find a single comparison or even reference to the similar Capital Hill Autonomous Zone event that happened just a few months later. Both were violent insurrection attempts that resulted in deaths, vandalism and destruction of propert… Is is me, or is the OP **Beanz** showing all the signs of a Trock? One day join, 18 posts read, starts a blatantly whataboutism charged political thread as nearly their first action? ETA - just saw that he’s been suspended as well . . . seems I’m not the only one with suspicions. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5227 "2022-01-07T02:45:39Z")
No clue if they’re a trock, but I’m pretty confident they were trolling. I assumed the thread closure was basically a warning shot. The mods do that sometimes. Or it could have been just all the mod present at the time could do before discussing it in the loop. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5228 "2022-01-07T03:02:53Z")
That’s precisely what they do with trocks. It will be a full ban once the mod loop votes thumbs down. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5229 "2022-01-07T03:12:36Z")
Since I can no longer comment in the closed thread, I will assure you nobody calls it “CHAZ”. That’s a term a few people have used, but you almost never hear it; it is basically always called “CHOP” (Capitol Hill Organized Protest). I live less than an hour from where it took place so trust me, I heard about it on a daily basis for a while, and the ripples from those protests affected me personally. (Roads closed down, being told to evacuate the office where I work or not allowed to go in, businesses I frequent getting damaged, and so on.) So even the choice to call it CHAZ seems pretty fishy to me. Calling it by an obscure term is almost surely intentional. Either way it was a really, really shitty attempt at whataboutism. If you want a clearer parallel in this area to what happened on January 6, then look at the Trump supporters who stormed the governor’s mansion while the US Capitol was being attacked. > **[Protesters break through gates at governor’s mansion in Olympia, storm to...](https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/protesters-break-through-gates-governors-mansion-olympia/C5EC7W2MCZBKRA6RFCEJMSRYCE/)** > > While there has been chaos on Wednesday in Washington, D.C., President Donald Trump supporters protesting in Olympia pushed through the gates of the governor’s mansion and were able to get to the front doors. Of course, that wasn’t nearly as impactful as what happened in DC, they didn’t get any farther than the front yard, but it was basically the same crowd trying to do the same thing at the same time. Anyway, yeah Beanz was certainly full of them. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5230 "2022-01-07T03:36:20Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Since I can no longer comment in the closed thread, I will assure you nobody calls it “CHAZ”. > [@How Do You Feel About The CHAZ / Seattle Take Over](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-feel-about-the-chaz-seattle-take-over/855551): > > Depending on your political slant and newsource of choice this is either a hostile domestic terrorist takeover of a portion of Seattle, a peaceful commune/street festival or something in between. Living in the midwest, I am far away from the scene but I am fascinated that this is happening right before our eyes. That said, I am curious what the active political dopers here think: a) do you fully support this action? b) what do you HOPE will be the end result? c) what do you THINK the end ga… > [@What to do about the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-to-do-about-the-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone/855456): > > It’s hard to find reliable information about what exactly the CHAZ in Seattle even is – apparently the police have abandoned the precinct station there and are only responding in a limited fashion to emergency calls. Community organizers are verifying that only residents are allowed in. Businesses are open if they’re able. There are echoes of the Bundy Standoff here. My only hope is that a dialog appears to remain open between the protesters and the city officials. eta: [Link to get the dis…](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/welcome-to-the-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone-where-seattle-protesters-gather-without-police/) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5231 "2022-01-07T04:18:18Z")
Hmm, so you suspect the trock was connected to the old discussion somehow? ---
**Author:** ![yarblek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/71e660/32.png) [@yarblek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yarblek)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5232 "2022-01-07T09:27:37Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Since I can no longer comment in the closed thread, I will assure you nobody calls it “CHAZ”. That’s a term a few people have used, but you almost never hear it; it is basically always called “CHOP” (Capitol Hill Organized Protest). In the mentions of it that I’ve seen on Reddit and elsewhere have often refered to CHAZ. I see now that CHOP might be a more common term but Wikipedia has both, so I don’t believe your assertion that ‘CHAZ’ is particularly obscure. It certainly doesn’t agree with my own experience. There may also be a difference between what locals and non-locals use. Plenty of articles about it can still be found using CHAZ as a search term. I think the reason CHAZ might not used (as much) anymore is because the Autonomous Zone doesn’t exist, so it would be inaccurate to still keep using it, but when it did it was (much more) widely known and used IMO. CHAZ was an actual place and CHOP is a protest. This is just my own experience though. Maybe it’s atypical. 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5233 "2022-01-07T17:12:09Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Hmm, so you suspect the trock was connected to the old discussion somehow? No, that CHAZ was in no way obscure and was in fact widely used. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5234 "2022-01-07T17:18:22Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > No, that CHAZ was in no way obscure and was in fact widely used. I live there and I’ve only heard CHOP. CHAZ just seems weird to me. Searching online, it seems that CHOP is the more common term and likely took over from CHAZ (though I see one article that suggests it happened the other way around). I was wondering if there was a deliberate attempt to use the scarier “autonomous zone” than the more common and less intimidating “organized protest” terminology. But maybe it’s not as obscure as I thought, even though again I never hear the term CHAZ in local media and don’t remember hearing it once even as the events were occurring. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5235 "2022-01-07T17:21:52Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > never hear the term CHAZ in local media and don’t remember hearing it once even as the events were occurring. Here’s _The Seattle times_: > **[Welcome to the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, where Seattle protesters gather...](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/welcome-to-the-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone-where-seattle-protesters-gather-without-police/)** > > What is CHAZ? At the newly named Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, on a handful of blocks in Seattle’s quirky, lefty Capitol Hill, demonstrators are setting up a new protest society that on Tuesday was free of uniformed police. How long... ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5236 "2022-01-07T17:25:34Z")
FWIW I live nowhere near Seattle and my news sources don’t skew to the right, and “CHAZ” comes to mind before “CHOP” when I think of the event. Can we move on from this tangent? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5237 "2022-01-07T17:28:12Z")
No Can Haz Tangent? (Sorry.) (not) ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2022, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5238 "2022-01-08T18:33:16Z")
NOT trolling\*, but pointing it out here because we’re a jaded bunch who can appreciate brief glimpses of coolness: check out post 25 in the “Newton a fraud” thread in IMHO. No hints because I don’t want to spoil the surprise. \* I guess it could still be a troll, but I sincerely believe it’s real. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2022, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5239 "2022-01-08T18:49:53Z")
And in classical Doper fashion, the answer to his first post is a nitpick (by GreenWyvern)… 😁 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518.md?page=39)