# Trolls R Us Resurrections (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 11, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518 "2021-09-11T17:26:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2022, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5600 "2022-02-23T01:18:00Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > He’s a moderator? Yeah, that’s what the little shield next to his name means. And if you look at his account, he’s in the “moderators” group. I’ve mostly seen him in action in the Game Room forum. (He’s one of the mods there, along with Chronos and raventhief.) Check out the link for the list of mods, he’s there: [https://boards.straightdope.com/g/moderators](https://boards.straightdope.com/g/moderators) ETA: He is also a moderator for Comments on Cecil’s Columns forum (see [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-comments-on-cecils-columns-staff-reports-category/910997)). ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2022, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5601 "2022-02-23T02:14:27Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > But a troll? That’s just bullshit. He may be wrong, but I don’t see any deliberate gaslighting in the Canadian truckers thread at all. Just some strongly worded differences in opinion and not even that many core ones since he seems to think those idiots should have been dispersed early on. I have to agree. I just think he really, REALLY does not like the thought of the powers that the Emergency Act gives the government. Any government. ETA: He’s been arguing in good faith, and admits when he makes an error. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2022, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5602 "2022-02-23T02:49:49Z")
Meanhoo **billy-jack** is in quasi-AGW denial mode. Sorry, correction: he doesn’t deny the reality per se, but thinks it will be _beneficial_. Oy vey. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2022, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5603 "2022-02-23T03:06:16Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > Meanhoo **billy-jack** is in quasi-AGW denial mode. Sorry, correction: he doesn’t deny the reality per se, but thinks it will be _beneficial_ . Oy vey. D\_Anconia is also there, wouldn’t you know it?, beating the dead horse of his shot messenger fallacy, I guess he does **really** think that any science show or educational site that does not have a scientist is unscientific. That is the kind of logic that would declare that Science Friday on NPR is unscientific, just because Ira Flatow is just an engineer. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2022, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5604 "2022-02-23T03:06:22Z")
Well, in the long run, we are all dead. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2022, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5605 "2022-02-23T03:14:22Z")
Ninjaed! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2022, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5606 "2022-02-23T13:26:46Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > [@Tamerlane](#): > > > > But a troll? That’s just bullshit. He may be wrong, but I don’t see any deliberate gaslighting in the Canadian truckers thread at all. Just some strongly worded differences in opinion and not even that many core ones since he seems to think those idiots should have been dispersed early on. > > I have to agree. > > I just think he really, REALLY does not like the thought of the powers that the Emergency Act gives the government. Any government. > > ETA: He’s been arguing in good faith, and admits when he makes an error. Continually missing points and moving goalposts demonstrates that he is not completely arguing in good faith. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2022, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5607 "2022-02-23T19:54:05Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Continually missing points and moving goalposts demonstrates that he is not completely arguing in good faith. Yes, but that can happen when someone passionately believes something and is arguing in anger about it. They get in a one-track mindset. miss obvious flaws, and won’t admit any faults. (And I do see a lot of places where he refuses to acknowledge error. He doesn’t keep arguing it, though. Just kinda lets it drop.) RickJay is over in the “Jumping Jesus” Pit thread wondering why anyone would possibly see him as conservative or in any way support the convoy. He doesn’t seem to realize how he came off in that thread to a lot of people. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2022, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5608 "2022-02-23T21:02:38Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > RickJay is over in the “Jumping Jesus” Pit thread wondering why anyone would possibly see him as conservative or in any way support the convoy. He doesn’t seem to realize how he came off in that thread to a lot of people. He was doing that in the Is JK Rowling Transphobic thread, too. > [@Is JK Rowling transphobic?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-jk-rowling-transphobic/845105): > > [Her tweet](https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1207646162813100033). According to [The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/dec/19/jk-rowling-trans-row-court-ruling-twitter-maya-forstater), the Maya in question is Maya Forstater, a UK citizen who was fired from her job for a series of tweets that included such nuggets as Men cannot change into women. Rowling would seem to support such sentiments. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2022, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5609 "2022-02-23T23:10:51Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > RickJay is over in the “Jumping Jesus” Pit thread wondering why anyone would possibly see him as conservative or in any way support the convoy. He doesn’t seem to realize how he came off in that thread to a lot of people. Yeah, on the one hand he’s calling the protestors and organizers idiots, and is celebrating the dispersal of protestors. But then he’s also criticizing the response, and (if I’m reading properly) what he sees as government overreach in response. So, I can understand how if you only read his later posts he will come off as Conservative. And I can see how he is confused that people are seeing him as a Conservative, but he has to realize that not everyone reads every post in a thread (especially a thread with 650 posts). And even a few of his earlier posts read a bit Conservative, such as his insistence that the protestors had more public support than the posters in the thread were assuming. (I still didn’t see that as _him_ supporting them, though; I think he tried to make it clear that he didn’t in any way.) ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2022, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5610 "2022-02-23T23:17:13Z")
Classic examples of posters not reading each others’ posts carefully, but reacting to something they’ve interpreted in a poor light. It’s the real harm of trolls–they cause us to be skeptical of each others’ motivations. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2022, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5611 "2022-02-23T23:20:38Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > It’s the real harm of trolls–they cause us to be skeptical of each others’ motivations. I think I’ve even been guilty of that, if I’m being honest. ☹ And not just here, other boards too. I try to “assume good faith” (a principle I learned from Wikipedia) but it gets harder the more often you have your time wasted by a troll playing games. ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5612 "2022-03-02T18:43:57Z")
One to watch: **Pepe** has been here 1 day; two posts, two zombies reanimated, both on - ah - fringe subjects (instant diarrhea, medical masturbation, both in FQ). Not the usual MO, but interesting. j ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5613 "2022-03-02T19:10:36Z")
Well, at least he came to the right place! ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5614 "2022-03-02T20:54:52Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@Pleonast](#): > > > > It’s the real harm of trolls–they cause us to be skeptical of each others’ motivations. > > I think I’ve even been guilty of that, if I’m being honest. ☹ > > And not just here, other boards too. I try to “assume good faith” (a principle I learned from Wikipedia) but it gets harder the more often you have your time wasted by a troll playing games. I find a healthy skepticism is a perfectly fair way to approach most new people and new material. Not agreement or disagreement, but just giving yourself time and space to say “hmm, I’m not sure about that,” and then hold that thought for as long as it takes to become reasonably sure. It’s even fair to type that in a thread. No need to immediately jump to one side or the other. And I think it’s pointless to try to judge motivations. Is this poster stupid or a troll? Does it really matter? There is one poster here who I am pretty sure is quite sincere, but his posts are so stupid I don’t waste my time engaging with him. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5615 "2022-03-02T20:58:18Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > There is one poster here who I am pretty sure is quite sincere, but his posts are so stupid I don’t waste my time engaging with him. I have one such poster on my ignore list. I _think_ they’re sincere, but just so stupid it’s not worth talking to them, no more than it would be sensible to have a conversation with a Chatty Cathy doll. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5616 "2022-03-02T21:02:21Z")
> [@Treppenwitz](#): > > One to watch: **Pepe** has been here 1 day; two posts, two zombies reanimated, both on - ah - fringe subjects (instant diarrhea, medical masturbation, both in FQ). Not the usual MO, but interesting. Hopefully he doesn’t turn into a frog. You know the one I mean… ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5617 "2022-03-02T21:08:15Z")
![](https://c.tenor.com/5aF7np_zPEgAAAAM/pepe-why-pepe-the-frog.gif) ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5618 "2022-03-02T21:23:27Z")
Ahhh! Triggered! ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5619 "2022-03-02T21:49:07Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > I find a healthy skepticism is a perfectly fair way to approach most new people and new material. Not agreement or disagreement, but just giving yourself time and space to say “hmm, I’m not sure about that,” and then hold that thought for as long as it takes to become reasonably sure. It’s even fair to type that in a thread. No need to immediately jump to one side or the other. > > And I think it’s pointless to try to judge motivations. Is this poster stupid or a troll? Does it really matter? There is one poster here who I am pretty sure is quite sincere, but his posts are so stupid I don’t waste my time engaging with him. Yep. I think it’s important to distinguish between long-time posters and newbies. I try to give the benefit of a doubt to any long-time poster. Anyone who has been regularly posting for years is a more-or-less reasonable person, who may have off days or sore spots. (I’m ignoring everyone on my ignore list.) With newbies, any provocativeness or gross stupidity puts them in the troll category. I won’t respond to them and if the mods don’t fix the problem, they’re ignored. It’s really not that hard to diagnose; I know the mods need to be circumspect with the hammer, but time is too valuable to waste views on borderline cases. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518.md?page=58)