# Trolls R Us Resurrections (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 11, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518 "2021-09-11T17:26:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 73
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5920 "2022-05-07T22:36:29Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > You have to be rather democracy and self governance to fall for this rhetoric at this point. I assume you left out one word, perhaps _against_, here. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5921 "2022-05-07T22:43:36Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Kedikat has been mentioned in this thread [before](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections/950518/651). Thanks, I didn’t see that. I don’t know if he’s intentionally trolling, but he’s certainly an annoying and egregiously uninformed asshole. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5922 "2022-05-07T22:57:06Z")
Just a reminder, being wrong, even very wrong is not trolling. I still haven’t seen anything by him to indicate he’s trolling. He isn’t derailing threads, he isn’t JAQing, he isn’t nitpicking 1 small issue, he isn’t ignoring clear cites, etc. He seems to just be arguing a very unpopular opinion on this board and most places in the West. The first few weeks of the illegal and horrific invasion, he was pissing me off to no end, but I can’t point to any trolling that I’ve seen. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5923 "2022-05-08T14:30:59Z")
The objections are to his argument rather than trolling. Just the usual nationalistic bullshit being defended by a poster. If Mexico had experienced a recent revolution and the new president leaned toward joining something like the Warsaw Pact, US politicians would be making the same arguments as Putin. Perhaps like ‘Since we already stole most of Mexico, we should go back after the other half’. Illegal, horrific and offensive, but not surprising for politicians. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5924 "2022-05-08T14:50:11Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > If Mexico had experienced a recent revolution and the new president leaned toward joining something like the Warsaw Pact, US politicians would be making the same arguments as Putin. Perhaps like ‘Since we already stole most of Mexico, we should go back after the other half’. Illegal, horrific and offensive, but not surprising for politicians. That’s ridiculous. There’s no way they’d do that. They’d just clandestinely assassinate him and topple his government instead. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2022, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5925 "2022-05-08T14:51:21Z")
My bad ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5926 "2022-05-08T21:01:56Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > US politicians would be making the same arguments as Putin. Hell, Trump was actually proposing that we fire missiles into Mexico, and then deny doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2022, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5927 "2022-05-08T22:29:02Z")
The well-known diplomacy standard of implausible deniability. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2022, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5928 "2022-05-09T11:56:01Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Hell, Trump was actually proposing that we fire missiles into Mexico, and then deny doing so. Well yeah, but Mexico was going to pay for them ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2022, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5929 "2022-05-10T16:11:01Z")
BTW, in the past, the US did launch missiles to Mexico. By Mistake… Twice at least. > **[Remember the time we bombed Mexico with German rockets?](https://gizmodo.com/remember-the-time-we-bombed-mexico-with-german-rockets-5909476)** > > Germany spent the end of the 1930s and half the 1940s inventing and perfecting missiles. They made so many, they still had a ton of them left over after the end of World War II. So of course, the leftover weapons were confiscated by the United... > **[1970, The Year We Accidentally Bombed Mexico (Again)](https://gizmodo.com/1970-the-year-we-accidentally-bombed-mexico-again-1689957752)** > > The United States hasn't always had a great relationship with Mexico, but in 1970 things were pretty congenial. Then, in July, an Athena rocket went off course with vials of radioactive material. Some say the resulting impact created the "Mapimi... That last one I just found out about it… and the US had to do a big cleanup in the Mapimi Desert, in northern Mexico, because it was a rocket testing nuclear material that would eventually had been used in a nuclear dirty bomb. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5930 "2022-05-11T03:11:57Z")
Scientology was founded on shelling Mexico from the sea. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5931 "2022-05-11T05:05:37Z")
I thought it was founded on a bet, or to cynically make L Ron Hubbard, or both. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5932 "2022-05-11T07:22:55Z")
To cynically make L Ron Hubbard _rich_? Yes, [https://www.bible.ca/scientology-1million-start-a-religion.htm](https://www.bible.ca/scientology-1million-start-a-religion.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5933 "2022-05-11T11:26:21Z")
He’s referring to the time Hubbard shelled Mexico resulting in a diplomatic incident ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5934 "2022-05-11T16:09:46Z")
Here is some info on The Coronados Incident: [http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/warhero/coronados.htm](http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/warhero/coronados.htm) Here is an excerpt: > The exercises ordered by the Fleet Operational Training Command on June 28, 1943 had ended early that day, at only 4 p.m. Hubbard decided to use the opportunity to hold a gunnery drill with the _PC-815’s_ 3" gun, firing three rounds of practice ammunition. A drifting target used during the day’s earlier exercises was used as an aiming point. The ship then headed for a nearby island, where it anchored in seven fathoms of water to sit out the night. A small arms drill was also conducted, firing an estimated 120 rounds of .30 (rifle) and .45 (pistol) ammunition. The crew fished for food before turning in for the night. At 7 a.m. the following morning, Hubbard returned to San Diego - and to a lot of hot water. > > The _PC-815_ had anchored in the territorial waters of Mexico, just off South Coronados Island. The Coronados Islands (Islas los Coronados) are an otherwise insignificant group of four small rocky islands just inside Mexican waters, about five miles south of the US-Mexican sea border. They have never supported a permanent settlement, being too arid and rugged, though a short-lived “Coronados Yachting Club” ran a hotel - actually an offshore drinking establishment - during the last two years of Prohibition in the United States. > > During the Second World War, which Mexico entered on May 22, 1942, the islands were the scene of Mexican and US military exercises. Earlier on the day of Hubbard’s visits they had apparently been the scene of a bombing practice by the US Army Air Force, with the permission of the Mexican authorities. The islands are, however, garrisoned by a small detachment from the Mexican Navy, who must have been surprised to have seen the _USS PC-815_ turn up and hold an impromptu gunnery practice near one of the islands. It was probably these observers who saw Hubbard’s vessel at anchor and firing shells offshore. A formal complaint was made to the US authorities, and less than 48 hours after returning to San Diego, Hubbard and his crew were ordered before a tribunal to explain themselves. That whole web site, [Ron the “War Hero”](http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/warhero/contents.htm), is full of info about L Ron Hubbard’s military career. I read it, and the [Operation Clambake](https://www.xenu.net/) web site (about Scientology in general), many years ago. Around the same time I started reading the Straight Dope and Snopes. They’re still great info about Scientology. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5935 "2022-05-17T20:43:12Z")
TedBaiamonte is back. This time stinking up the "What parts of U.S. history are the most important for kids to know? " thread. He’s doing a the classic Sea lion schtick by innocently asking what is specifically biased about his statement that “Democrats oppose [the constitution] in favor of liberal progressive socialist nanny statism” ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5936 "2022-05-17T20:50:00Z")
Don’t you mean, TedBaiamonte _are_ back? and _They’re_ doing a the classic Sea lion schtick? Because all their posts refer to self as plural, “we”, “us”. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5937 "2022-05-17T20:55:06Z")
I pretty much told him to knock it off. Judgement call, but I’m not allowing that kind of posting in GD. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5938 "2022-05-17T21:00:02Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Because all their posts refer to self as plural, “we”, “us”. All of their recent posts (at least) use “I.” ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/5939 "2022-05-17T21:15:27Z")
Upon reflection, sometimes “I” is used… to refer to the person who makes the post. But many times it’s like he thinks he speaks for the court. “You say there is bias but you don’t say exactly what the bias is. Can you tell **us** what specifically is biased.” “Can you give **us** the reason you think there is a specific disregard for reality. You could tell **us** exactly where the disregard is for reality and what reality really is.” “If you disagree with what **I** said can you give **us** the specific reason for the disagreement. Thanks” “when **we** say best quality obviously **be** [sic] are talking about the best quality they can afford” “If you are trying to make a point about whether capitalism is best or not please try to make the point more directly and literally so that **we** know what on earth you are trying to say.” “If you have some thing against capitalism tell **us** exactly what it is please.” ~Max [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518.md?page=72) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518.md?page=74)