# Trolls R Us Resurrections (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 11, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518 "2021-09-11T17:26:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 82
**Author:** ![saucywench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85e7bf/32.png) [@saucywench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saucywench)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/6100 "2022-05-25T18:27:20Z")
They don’t care about definitions, they’ve got a little gang bang going on. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/6101 "2022-05-25T18:27:23Z")
In the pit thread? I guess the trigger was how he’s all about how everyone is being so very rude to him, and he’s been nothing but polite. Denying he ever said what he actually posted. Then whining that his entire post was not quoted. And pausing to resume later. Calling others “trolls” when what they were doing was explicitly calling out his asshole behavior. It’s like he read the sealioning comic, and decided to follow it to a tee. Trolioning? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/6102 "2022-05-25T18:31:26Z")
That really isn’t the definition of sealioning I use but at least I know where you’re coming from then. * * * * * * Sealioning refers to the disingenuous action by a commenter of making an ostensible effort to engage in sincere and serious civil debate, usually by asking persistent questions of the other commenter. From here: [What is Sealioning?: A Type of Trolling | Merriam-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sealioning-internet-trolling#:~:text=Sealioning%20refers%20to%20the%20disingenuous,questions%20of%20the%20other%20commenter). ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/6103 "2022-05-25T18:33:47Z")
Yes, good point. There is no attempt at sincere or civil debate… Just a bunch of bullshit, diversions and self pity. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/6104 "2022-05-25T18:42:27Z")
I mean, relying on a dictionary is generally fine, but the word originally came from the comic strip (as M-W admits) and if Merriam-Webster hasn’t gotten the definition yet (which is why there’s a post but not a formal definition), that’s on them, not on us to accept their as-yet imperfect understanding over the original source. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/6105 "2022-05-25T18:45:09Z")
If a thread is about you and the things you write, is it really sealioning (in the sense of appearing out of the blue to address something mentioned only in passing, and then trying to derail the discussion to make it _the_ topic of conversation) to proceed to… talk about yourself and the things you have written? I thought a key aspect of sealioning was the hijack, not just the… cringeworthy civility. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/6106 "2022-05-25T18:47:06Z")
Meta-sealioning, then? Because the thread is not only about the poster but about specific things the poster has posted. And that has been derailed a few times by the (polite, I suppose) requests to back up assertions and so on. And the Dope loves few things better than getting sidetracked by points of order and being the best kind of correct, after all. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/6107 "2022-05-25T20:24:17Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > I don’t see him sealioning. Are you _fucking_ kidding? > [@Pit thread for Martin\_Hyde {He has been BANNED}](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/74): > > I’m sorry–what specific behavior, and provide evidence, can you point to of mine that is bad behavior on this board, in relation to the last day or so and its dramas? [http://wondermark.com/c/2014-09-19-1062sea.png](http://wondermark.com/c/2014-09-19-1062sea.png) Cut out the words “on this board” and you can C&P that post anywhere in the comic in the sealion’s bubbles, after panel 2 ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/6108 "2022-05-25T20:31:28Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > I thought a key aspect of sealioning was the hijack, not just the… cringeworthy civility. The disingenuous mock-civility is a necessary aspect. The hijacking isn’t. Sealioning can be about the topic of a thread. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/6109 "2022-05-25T22:33:38Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > I don’t see him sealioning. I see him actually arguing his side. A side I don’t agree with, but far from sealioning. Point taken, but I think the term “sealioning” is experiencing some mission creep and beginning to encompass “tone policing.” Hence, ALL commentary on the appropriateness of a post’s contents is subject to being classified as “seasoning.” While I allow that **Martin\_Hyde** ’s commentary in this vein is extraneous to his actual argument, I also don’t see it as seasoning. But, as I often find myself needing to remind myself, I’m sharing this planet with people who are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/6110 "2022-05-25T23:31:39Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I also don’t see it as seasoning. God dammit. **SEALIONING** ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/6111 "2022-05-25T23:37:34Z")
I was going to admonish you about the legalities of going after sealioning out of season. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/6112 "2022-05-25T23:46:11Z")
A number of posters are starting to use “sealioning” for posts/posters they disagree with, nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/6113 "2022-05-25T23:54:05Z")
Sealioning may lately be the term du jour, but the question is a (relatively) simple one. Are they trolling or not? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/6114 "2022-05-25T23:57:22Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > A number of posters are starting to use “sealioning” for posts/posters they disagree with, nothing more. If you’d prefer, I’ll just call them disingenuous assholes. Better? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/6115 "2022-05-25T23:59:31Z")
D\_isingenuous asshole ~~s~~. Fixed it for ya! ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/6116 "2022-05-26T00:06:04Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Sealioning may lately be the term du jour, but the question is a (relatively) simple one. Are they trolling or not? Borrowing @Atamasama 's style for this (and honest-to-god had to stop myself from putting in a poll), but IMHO - Max\_S Troll: No Jackass: Yes Martin\_Hyde Troll: No Jackass: Probable. Octoputz Troll: Hell Yes. Jackass: Being unkind to poor dumb jackass in this comparison. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/6117 "2022-05-26T00:07:30Z")
You forgot: D\_Anconia Troll: Too stupid Jackass: Yep ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/6118 "2022-05-26T00:55:08Z")
Words have meanings. “Sealioning” doesn’t mean people you don’t like, which is how it’s being used now. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/6119 "2022-05-26T00:57:57Z")
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