# Trotsky. For the lack of God, Trotsky. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2007, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914 "2007-05-29T14:36:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/221 "2007-05-29T21:20:06Z")
[QUOTE=Gangster Octopus] Is he being pitted for breaking a rule or just being hyper-conservative? [/QUOTE] For stupidity, IMO. We have some hyper-conservative Dopers of long standing but few of them are as impenetrable as **Trotsky.** Also for consistently and persistently hijacking threads off-topic (and I must plead guilty to rising to the bait; I’m so weak). ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/222 "2007-05-29T21:20:40Z")
[QUOTE=Sunrazor] Hey, wait a minute. I like him. And I’m Episcopalian. No, seriously, I really do like him. I’m not saying he hasn’t brought me up short a time or two when I had it coming, but the man’s not a hater, and I like him. [/QUOTE] 😕😕😕 I’ve seen more hate-filled posts from that guy than almost everyone else on this board combined. You gotta be kidding. Frankly, I think it’s more an issue of him hating himself, but that’s another story… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/223 "2007-05-29T21:22:04Z")
[QUOTE=Voyager] William F. Buckley did defend himself in a libel suit by claiming that calling someone a Commie was not an insult. I don’t remember how that turned out. Nonetheless, DerTrihs isn’t, and neither is just about anyone else on the SDMB. Communism is an indefensible and impractical ideology, and a true Communist wouldn’t last long, since he’d have to defend his beliefs. [/QUOTE] We used to have **Olentzero** (perhaps not a card-carrying big-C Communist, but certainly a doctrinaire revolutionary Marxist). None since him, I think. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/224 "2007-05-29T21:22:11Z")
**Trotsky** , You’ve done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/225 "2007-05-29T21:22:39Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] For stupidity, IMO. We have some hyper-conservative Dopers of long standing but few of them are as impenetrable as **Trotsky.** Also for consistently and persistently hijacking threads off-topic (and I must plead guilty to rising to the bait; I’m so weak). [/QUOTE] It’s easy to fall for the bait. I guess I’m chewing on bait second hand for getting into that little debate about Vietnam with you in the GD thread! ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/226 "2007-05-29T21:24:14Z")
Trotsky, quit hogging all the stupid dude. Leave some for the rest, would ya? ---
**Author:** ![Trotsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Trotsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trotsky)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/227 "2007-05-29T21:25:37Z")
I have been a bit of an ass, but overall I do stand by what I say. I understand that this is forum is so left that even cnn seems hard right. I’m basically walking into a mensa meeting where lenin is the lead speaker. People just hate conservatives and pro-war people here, and that’s just what I am. The shouts and howls are something to really make one think though. The peace crowd is probably more likely to butcher the opposition than my kind. Online and off. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/228 "2007-05-29T21:26:21Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] If there’s one thing that drives me nuts, it’s the clique nature of online forums patting themselves on their backs. Especially leftist ones. [/QUOTE] If you want a genuine liberal echo chamber, check out [Democratic Underground.](http://www.democraticunderground.com/) For a right-wing equivalent, see [Free Republic.](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/browse) Spend a day lurking on either and you will see how they differ from the SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/229 "2007-05-29T21:27:52Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I’ve seen more hate-filled posts from that guy than almost everyone else on this board combined. Yeah, at least ones directed toward non-board entities. Mind you, I think the guy is quite smart and knows the difference between facts and assertions (which puts him streets ahead of our friend **Trotsky** , at least). But for sheer weight of stubborn antagonism…well, let me just say that I was originally a little nervous about entering a thread that contained both **Der Trihs** and **Trotsky** , fearing that they might generate a matter/antimatter reaction that would cause the entire board to vanish in a burst of pure mutual antipathy. Didn’t happen, though. I think the explanation is that **Trotsky** doesn’t actually have any mass. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/230 "2007-05-29T21:29:19Z")
I never knew I was a communist… Now that is funny. ---
**Author:** ![Trotsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Trotsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trotsky)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/231 "2007-05-29T21:30:01Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] If you want a genuine liberal echo chamber, check out [Democratic Underground.](http://www.democraticunderground.com/) For a right-wing equivalent, see [Free Republic.](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/browse) Spend a day lurking on either and you will see how they differ from the SDMB. [/QUOTE] Frankly, they don’t all that much. I’m surprised I’ve been allowed to talk this long with my conservative talk, and I’ve been threatened a bunch. This place is very close the Daily Kos/Democraticunderground. What can you expect really? The net is full of Bush hating leftists. When someone comes along to challenge that, the insults fly.. ---
**Author:** ![hawksgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ed655f/32.png) [@hawksgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawksgirl)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/232 "2007-05-29T21:32:09Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] The net is full of Bush hating leftists. [/QUOTE] And this doesn’t hint to you that he may not be too popular IRL? I mean, we are people in real life. ---
**Author:** ![Trotsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Trotsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trotsky)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/233 "2007-05-29T21:34:50Z")
[QUOTE=hawksgirl] And this doesn’t hint to you that he may not be too popular IRL? I mean, we are people in real life. [/QUOTE] Oh I know. And I don’t like a lot of the things he does, especially his pro-immigration stance. However, popularity and blind hatred isn’t a good debate tactic. I still support the war in general. I think once Ari Fleisher left, the Bush team lost their movement. They’ve totally lost the public. However, I don’t think the main things he stands for are suddenly wrong due to public opinion. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/234 "2007-05-29T21:35:02Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] Problem is.. He is an actual communist. Now, that may or may not be an insult. That is in the eye of the beholder. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Voyager] William F. Buckley did defend himself in a libel suit by claiming that calling someone a Commie was not an insult. I don’t remember how that turned out. Nonetheless, DerTrihs isn’t, and neither is just about anyone else on the SDMB. Communism is an indefensible and impractical ideology, and a true Communist wouldn’t last long, since he’d have to defend his beliefs. Sigh. The right has fallen a long way from James Burnham, hasn’t it? [/QUOTE] Just out of curiosity, is there some kind of corollary to Godwin’s Law regarding calling someone a communist in a web discussion? ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/235 "2007-05-29T21:35:15Z")
That tears it. Dude’s a troll. Best to ignore. > [@](#): > > And I don’t like a lot of the things he does, especially his pro-immigration stance. Oh yeah, me too. I hate those filthy beaners, don’t you? Huh? Huh? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/236 "2007-05-29T21:35:29Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] Frankly, they don’t all that much. I’m surprised I’ve been allowed to talk this long with my conservative talk, and I’ve been threatened a bunch. [/QUOTE] Interesting. It appears to me as though the only Moderator warnings you’ve accrued have been from being insulting in GD, not your conservatism. If you’d like to provide a cite showing otherwise? I’d hate to think you were being a sophist. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/237 "2007-05-29T21:36:42Z")
[QUOTE=Kimstu] Yeah, at least ones directed toward non-board entities. Mind you, I think the guy is quite smart and knows the difference between facts and assertions (which puts him streets ahead of our friend **Trotsky** , at least). But for sheer weight of stubborn antagonism…well, let me just say that I was originally a little nervous about entering a thread that contained both **Der Trihs** and **Trotsky** , fearing that they might generate a matter/antimatter reaction that would cause the entire board to vanish in a burst of pure mutual antipathy. Didn’t happen, though. I think the explanation is that **Trotsky** doesn’t actually have any mass. [/QUOTE] Yeah, I haven’t seen any evidence of intelligence in **Trotsky**. He doesn’t seem to be able to tell the difference between being anti-war and being a communist. Sheesh… I’m about as anti-war as they come, but I’ve never been confused for a communist. ---
**Author:** ![Trotsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Trotsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trotsky)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/238 "2007-05-29T21:39:03Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Yeah, I haven’t seen any evidence of intelligence in **Trotsky**. He doesn’t seem to be able to tell the difference between being anti-war and being a communist. Sheesh… I’m about as anti-war as they come, but I’ve never been confused for a communist. [/QUOTE] That is a very simplistic view of things. One could be anti-war and very pro-communist. One can be anti-communist, and very pro-war. (like me). I’m not sure I ever made the case that they are somehow involved? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/239 "2007-05-29T21:39:40Z")
[QUOTE=Beware of Doug] **Trotsky. For the lack of God, Trotsky.** [/QUOTE] BTW, the actual MP quote is, “Trotsky! My lack of God! It’s Trotsky!” See [here,](http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/justthewords.htm) and click on Episode 34: The Cycling Tour. > [@](#): > > Pither (voice over) And so we registered at the Smolensk Young Men’s Anti-Christian Association. > Cut to military man. > Military Man YMACA. Corner of Anti-Semitic Street and Pogrom Square. > Pither (by now standing at the reception desk with Gulliver) Go away. (to departing desk clerk) No, not you. A single room for my friend please. > Desk Clerk Yes, sir. Bugged or unbugged? > Gulliver (as Trotsky) I think I’d be happier with a bugged one. > Desk Clerk Right, one bugged with bath. > Pither Well, just have a nice lie down, and I’ll go to the Embassy. > He goes. Gulliver signs hotel register. > Desk Clerk (looking at the book) Trotsky! My lack of God, it’s Trotsky! ---
**Author:** ![Trotsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Trotsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trotsky)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/240 "2007-05-29T21:41:19Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] BTW, the actual MP quote is, “Trotsky! My lack of God! It’s Trotsky!” See [here,](http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/justthewords.htm) and click on Episode 34: The Cycling Tour. [/QUOTE] Brilliant. I have all their collection and didn’t even make the connection. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914.md?page=13)