# Trotsky. For the lack of God, Trotsky. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2007, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914 "2007-05-29T14:36:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/81 "2007-05-29T16:28:47Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] Well, I call people marxist when they cite US imperialism and class warfare. [/QUOTE] So… you throw the word around pretty much whenever you feel like it, then? ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/82 "2007-05-29T16:29:42Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] Problem is, I’m responding to peoples’ opinions of the war, not the facts. I’m held to a higher standard apparently because I have a conservative and pro-war viewpoint. [/QUOTE] You are getting shite for many reasons. One of them seems to be that you haven’t got the first clue what a true socialist or a Marxists or a Trotskyist is. You are calling American liberals those names. That is so silly it is either intentionally so or just unforgivably stupid. American liberals are from most of the rest of the western world’s POV quite conservative and almost right wing 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/83 "2007-05-29T16:32:38Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] Funny, all I’ve seen is others doing the same. No facts, just opinions. And that’s not an argument? I don’t see any sources in any responses to my posts, just insults and/or leftist rhetoric. Yours included. [/QUOTE] Look, Trotsky. It’s no secret that this board is left-leaning. But there are well-respected conservative posters such as Bricker, John Mace, Martin Hyde, etc. And as you have seen from their contributions to this thread, not even they are backing you up. You should learn two lessons from this: 1. Conservatives can be respected and accepted here if they defend their positions intelligently and with integrity. 2. Not even the conservatives on the board want you among their ranks. So if you want to stick around, try to emulate some of our more respected conservative posters–more arguments, less name calling, a little less arrogance about your own correctness, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Trotsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Trotsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trotsky)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/84 "2007-05-29T16:34:52Z")
[QUOTE=Fear Itself] I was talking about your claims that most of the insurgents are foreign, and specifically, Kuwaiti. That is unsupportable. [/QUOTE] Ok, let me be the first to quote a source. > **[The Jerusalem Post - All News from the Middle East, Israel, and the Jewish World](http://www.jpost.com/)** > > The Jerusalem Post is Israel's most-read English news website and best-selling English newspaper bringing breaking news, world news & middle east news. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/85 "2007-05-29T16:37:31Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] I actually don’t mind wikipedia overall. If you have any sources from them, I’ll listen. Problem is, I’m responding to peoples’ opinions of the war, not the facts. I’m held to a higher standard apparently because I have a conversative and pro-war viewpoint. [/QUOTE] Not at all. Feel free to ask for cites from other people backing up their posts, too. If you feel they’re wrong, challenge them on it and ask straightforwardly for a cite. Alright, Wikipedia is acceptable to you. I’m going by countries that I would consider to be liberal; if you think i’m wrong or you have more countries you’d like to add, please say so. [The U.S.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_states#Economy) > [@](#): > > The economic system of the United States can be described as a capitalist mixed economy. [The U.S again, as well as the U.K., Eire, Canada, NZ and Australia.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_economy) > [@](#): > > Anglo-Saxon economy or Anglo-Saxon capitalism (so called because it is largely practiced in English-speaking countries such as the United Kingdom, the Republic of Ireland, the United States, Canada, New Zealand and Australia) is a capitalist macroeconomic model in which levels of regulation and taxes are low, and government provides relatively fewer services. In addition, Anglo-Saxon economies generally are more ‘liberal’ and free-market oriented than other capitalist economies in the world. [France](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France#Economy) > [@](#): > > France’s economy combines extensive private enterprise (nearly 2.5 million companies registered) with substantial (though declining) government intervention (see dirigisme). [Germany](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany#Economy) > [@](#): > > Although the state intervenes in the economy through the provision of subsidies to selected sectors and the ownership of some segments of the economy, competition and free enterprise are promoted as a matter of government policy. So there you go. All liberal countries, all capitalist systems. Like I said, if you can cite me up a liberal country that doesn’t have a capitalist system, please do so. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/86 "2007-05-29T16:39:23Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] Ok, let me be the first to quote a source. > **[The Jerusalem Post - All News from the Middle East, Israel, and the Jewish World](http://www.jpost.com/)** > > The Jerusalem Post is Israel's most-read English news website and best-selling English newspaper bringing breaking news, world news & middle east news. [/QUOTE] That’s it? One Iraqi intelligence officer? Who knew that captured insurgents sang like parakeets when they were [del]tortured[/del] interrogated vigorously? Well, he must be objective, he has no reason to misrepresent the truth… ---
**Author:** ![Trotsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Trotsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trotsky)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/87 "2007-05-29T16:41:15Z")
[QUOTE=Sophistry and Illusion] Look, Trotsky. It’s no secret that this board is left-leaning. But there are well-respected conservative posters such as Bricker, John Mace, Martin Hyde, etc. And as you have seen from their contributions to this thread, not even they are backing you up. You should learn two lessons from this: 1. Conservatives can be respected and accepted here if they defend their positions intelligently and with integrity. 2. Not even the conservatives on the board want you among their ranks. So if you want to stick around, try to emulate some of our more respected conservative posters–more arguments, less name calling, a little less arrogance about your own correctness, etc. [/QUOTE] 1. I’m not looking to be accepted. In fact, on a left leaning board like this, I sure don’t want to be. 2. I try to point out the hypocrasy of the ‘silence the opposition’ left and their lack of humor. Most leftist would slit a rightwinger’s throat to silence them when it comes down to it. 3. I’m not ‘trolling’. I actually do believe what I say. I made some serious points about Vietnam being lost as a tragedy. All I got back was ‘Vietnam’s no threat’. Well, communism was, and a lot of people suffered when we abandoned Vietnam. I want to avoid that with Iraq. Mostly we want to ensure no threat to the USA, and then we want to ensure a transition from anti-US insanity and jihadism to something more proper. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/88 "2007-05-29T16:42:04Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] And that, is a big reason of why I signed up. wikipedia and digg are pretty much the same way. Younger, leftist bias is a big problem. [/QUOTE] Well, that’s fine, but if you really want to be helpful to the conservative cause if you would avoid being inflammatory, and backed your opinions up. Even if you think it’s true that there’s a double standard, you aren’t going to solve anything by playing the game that way. [QUOTE=What Exit?] You know what, sometimes, I am not sure those on the left are held to the same standard of supporting what they post. I think I am saying this as a fairly moderate political poster that gets called a lefty more often than not. I think it is the nature of the board leaning to the left. Jim [/QUOTE] I think you are right, which is why I don’t get too bunched up about it. Although I wasn’t here during the Clinton administration, I have a suspicion that the fact that there is a Republican in the White House also has something to do with it…it’s always easy to bash whatever is going on at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Trotsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Trotsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trotsky)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/89 "2007-05-29T16:42:23Z")
[QUOTE=Fear Itself] That’s it? One Iraqi intelligence officer? Who knew that captured insurgents sang like parakeets when they were [del]tortured[/del] interrogated vigorously? Well, he must be objective, he has no reason to misrepresent the truth… [/QUOTE] I gave a source, what you got? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/90 "2007-05-29T16:48:45Z")
[http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0923/dailyUpdate.html](http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0923/dailyUpdate.html) > **[Iraqi insurgency](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_insurgency#Foreign_insurgents)** > > Iraqi insurgency may refer to: [http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,169945,00.html](http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,169945,00.html) (Well, don’t trust this. It’s from those commie pinkos at Fox News.) [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq\_insurgency.htm](http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_insurgency.htm) I suspect that the J-post meant to say that _of the foreign fighters_ seventy percent came from the gulf states. Not that seventy percent of Iraqi insurgents are foreign fighters. That would be absurd. ---
**Author:** ![Trotsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Trotsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trotsky)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/91 "2007-05-29T16:51:49Z")
[QUOTE=Larry Borgia] [http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0923/dailyUpdate.html](http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0923/dailyUpdate.html) > **[Iraqi insurgency](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_insurgency#Foreign_insurgents)** > > Iraqi insurgency may refer to: [http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,169945,00.html](http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,169945,00.html) (Well, don’t trust this. It’s from those commie pinkos at Fox News.) > **[Iraqi Insurgency](https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_insurgency.htm)** I suspect that the J-post meant to say that _of the foreign fighters_ seventy percent came from the gulf states. Not that seventy percent of Iraqi insurgents are foreign fighters. That would be absurd. [/QUOTE] I prefer some sources and facts, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/92 "2007-05-29T16:53:36Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] 1. I’m not looking to be accepted. In fact, on a left leaning board like this, I sure don’t want to be. [/quote] So why are some conservative posters here able to get along while you aren’t interested? Are they just pussies? > [@](#): > > Most leftist would slit a rightwinger’s throat to silence them when it comes down to it. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > 1. I’m not ‘trolling’. I actually do believe what I say. You actually believe **Der Trihs** might be working for Al Qaeda? [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8622757&postcount=21](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8622757&postcount=21) ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/93 "2007-05-29T16:53:37Z")
I think our friend drifted in from one of the right-wing political sites. They are easy to spot - they are the ones spouting platitudes, lacking debating skills, and getting angry when reasonable people dispute their assertions. See, on those sites opposing posts are routinely deleted, making it seem that all the world agrees with them. Here in the land of the free, where we support Constitutional freedoms like free speech, they get very scared. Don’t attack him, he more deserves our pity. He’s a bit like Dorothy going from her black and white house into a world full of color. He’s scared. ---
**Author:** ![Trotsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Trotsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trotsky)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/94 "2007-05-29T16:55:14Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] So why are some conservative posters here able to get along while you aren’t interested? Are they just pussies? :rolleyes: You actually believe **Der Trihs** might be working for Al Qaeda? [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8622757&postcount=21](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8622757&postcount=21) [/QUOTE] He might.. The internet’s big. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/95 "2007-05-29T16:55:22Z")
Why does everybody keep feeding this thing? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/96 "2007-05-29T16:56:09Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] Actually, you’ve made no **arguments** at all. An argument is a carefully constructed series of statements designed to present and back up a position. **Trotsky** : No, it isn’t! [/QUOTE] No, it i… OK, I’m noting a disturbing trend lately. The next person to blow the setup on a Monty Python straight line gets warned. :mad: 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/97 "2007-05-29T16:56:46Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] I try to point out the hypocrasy of the ‘silence the opposition’ left and their lack of humor. Most leftist would slit a rightwinger’s throat to silence them when it comes down to it. [/QUOTE] Name one leftist here that would slit someone’s throat. Name one liberal politician that seeks to eliminate free speech. ---
**Author:** ![Trotsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Trotsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trotsky)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/98 "2007-05-29T16:57:07Z")
[QUOTE=Lamar Mundane] I think our friend drifted in from one of the right-wing political sites. They are easy to spot - they are the ones spouting platitudes, lacking debating skills, and getting angry when reasonable people dispute their assertions. See, on those sites opposing posts are routinely deleted, making it seem that all the world agrees with them. Here in the land of the free, where we support Constitutional freedoms like free speech, they get very scared. Don’t attack him, he more deserves our pity. He’s a bit like Dorothy going from her black and white house into a world full of color. He’s scared. [/QUOTE] Yes, you leftists are just so smart. And I’ve only seen a few calls to ban me. You’re actually a little better than democraticunderground I suppose. I’m just in awe at the liberal intellect. (your posts reminds me of a Trek 2 speech of supposed intellectual superiority). ---
**Author:** ![Trotsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Trotsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trotsky)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/99 "2007-05-29T16:58:53Z")
[QUOTE=BobLibDem] Name one leftist here that would slit someone’s throat. Name one liberal politician that seeks to eliminate free speech. [/QUOTE] I’ve seen plenty of support on here for chavez shutting down TV stations. nuff said. The throat cutting just goes along with the standard chavez/stalin/lenin/leftwing/pro jihad hysteria that I’ve seen over the day. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914/100 "2007-05-29T17:01:13Z")
[QUOTE=Trotsky] The throat cutting just goes along with the standard chavez/stalin/lenin/leftwing/pro jihad hysteria that I’ve seen over the day. [/QUOTE] _Jesus_. Anyway, **Trotsky** , you seem to have inadvertently missed my cites. Could I ask for a response? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trotsky-for-the-lack-of-god-trotsky/405914.md?page=6)