# Trouble in Paradise (Mafia Game Thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [October 23, 2015, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585 "2015-10-23T22:52:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/281 "2015-10-30T05:22:41Z")
If I switched my vote to **Sario** , I would create a tie, which I don’t want to do. Is anybody else thinking that? ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/282 "2015-10-30T06:13:00Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Some thoughts on some of the past two day’s postings and the players who made them: > > Post #265-- **IRConfused** : A solid post. Thank you, sir. I suspect it may look now like an easy way to get Town Cred by posting a listing of what you think of others, but there’s actually merit to this. It takes effort and leaves a record. That’s a pro-Town action, it seems to me. Even if **IRConfused** turns out to be Scum, at least we will have this post and hopefully more like it to look back on and judge. However, I can’t understand why this does not lead to a real vote. **IRConfused** , please tell me you are voting for **Sario** now because your Scum read on him is stronger than on anyone else. Is that right? Not because he was Scum twice before, right? I originally chose **Sario** pretty much at random. As the week went on, I started feeling that I had actually picked correctly. I certainly do not have any experience playing, but I have watched and tried to pick out town vs scum in a number of past games here on SDMB. **Sario** is currently my strongest scum read. Maybe it’s just his style, but he sure hasn’t done anything that I have seen to help out town. There are certainly others in that category, but he “smells” the worst to me. I really don’t understand why he hasn’t tried to make a case. If he somehow gets lynched (not going to happen unless we have some last minute vote changes), and he turns out to be town, I would have to start back up with the **Prof**. ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/283 "2015-10-30T06:23:19Z")
> [@WF\_Tomba](#): > > If I switched my vote to **Sario** , I would create a tie, which I don’t want to do. Is anybody else thinking that? We don’t know what the tiebreaker rules are yet. They could be anything from nobody gets lynched to both get lynched. The only way we will find out is if there is one. As long as it is a mystery, there is less of a chance that someone might try to force it. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/284 "2015-10-30T06:41:54Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Some thoughts on some of the past two day’s postings and the players who made them: > > Post #217-- **Astral Rejection** : Good observation! I somehow overlooked this posting by **Sario**. It just adds to my WTF thoughts re **Sario** coming up later. > > Post #225 – **TexCat** : This is a very succinct description of what bothers me most about\*\* Prof. Pepperwinkle\*\*. Well said. Lurking is more than just not posting. > > Posts #227 & #246 – **Hooker Chemical** : I get a good Town feel from\*\* Hooker \*\ ***Chemical**. His analysis and mine are not that different, but he clarifies a lot of of what I wrote and adds insight. I still don’t quite understand what happened with the **Dante G.** vote/non-vote discussion, but I think part of that problem is just my tiredness this evening while trying to work it out. I like **HC** ’s take on **Sario** , and now have more suspicion of **Precambrianmollusc**. We can agree to disagree on **SnFaulkner** , which is especially OK because I don’t think either of our reads is that strong. I agree with the **IRConfused** analysis as well, especially as it was written prior to **IRConfused** ’s meatier response in post #265. > > Post #265-- **IRConfused** : A solid post. Thank you, sir. I suspect it may look now like an easy way to get Town Cred by posting a listing of what you think of others, but there’s actually merit to this. It takes effort and leaves a record. That’s a pro-Town action, it seems to me. Even if **IRConfused** turns out to be Scum, at least we will have this post and hopefully more like it to look back on and judge. However, I can’t understand why this does not lead to a real vote. **IRConfused** , please tell me you are voting for **Sario** now because your Scum read on him is stronger than on anyone else. Is that right? Not because he was Scum twice before, right? > > Post #234— **DeadCat** : I like **DeadCat** ’s post here and keeps my town read on this player. More thoughts to consider as the game progresses. > > Post #226-- **Prof. Pepperwinkle** : I think his defense of the casual remarks and their (mis?)interpretation by players is strong. This is just a game, and it is probably unfair to strike out at a convivial player for being friendly. Thing is, Town players have good reason to feel paranoid, and **Prof. Pepperwinkle** did not enter the game with much paranoia. None, as far as I can tell. If this post #226 had come a day or two earlier, along with some actual Scum hunting, I think **Prof. Pepperwinkle** would not be in the dire trouble he is in. I also think that\* if\* **Prof. Pepperwinkle** turns out to be Town, then maybe the overwhelming feeling of being accused by multiple players led to this misplay and likely downfall. If **Prof. Pepperwinkle** is Scum, well then we know the reason for the play. > > Players not posting – (no post #’s! ): **Sub. Plankton** , **Precambrianmollusc** , and **Mahaloth**. It’s not that I want to “lynch the lurker,” but come on folks, help us out! I guess I tend to post a lot and maybe your week has been even more hectic than mine. (God, I hope for your sakes that is not the case). _An aside_: I was talking to my wife last night about the game and my concern about players who don’t help us by doing a lot of posting and analysis. I was ranting a bit, and my wife laughed and said I was complaining about players in this game like I complain about some of my co-workers at work. My wife was right on the money. If I have come off as strident a couple of times toDay, it is because it is frustrating when I don’t feel like others are putting out a strong effort. Of course this is probably unfair of me, I don’t know what players have going on in their lives. I don’t how much they really expected to have to read and post in this game. So, I am not going to be the complaining co-worker. I am just going to ask nicely to please post some thoughts when you have the time. No pressure. Just a bit of analysis before the Day ends and we have to actually LYNCH A PLAYER AND TOSS THEM OUT OF THE GAME, THUS EITHER MOVING A MAJOR STEP TOWARDS WINNING OR LOSING. So help us and maybe we won’t lynch you too. Thanks. > > This leads me to **Sario**. I don’t know what he has going on in his life, but come on, dude. There is a movement underway to lynch you,\*\* Sario\*\*. Why are you not posting any kind of a response? I can’t understand it. If you are Scum maybe you are just hoping this will all blow over. If you are Town why aren’t you trying to fit in a little time to convince us to save you. I now have dropped you down onto my suspected Scum list now. **Sario** and **Prof. Pepperwinkle** can hardly both be Scum. So which is it? > > I asked **IRConfused** this question, and got a good answer. **Sario** , now I am asking you: Please give me a good reason why I should not switch my vote to you? (And do it soon. I suspect I may get called into work early tomorrow and thus will probably not be around at actual Day’s end.) I am seriously considering changing my vote to Sario, because as I have already acknowledged, although I still stand by what I said re. Prof P, I could be wrong, and if so that is bad for town. Whereas if we are wrong about our scum read on Sario, he’s not helping town much anyway, so no great loss if we mislynch him (i.e. I’m leaning back towards lunch the lurker). Could Sario and the Prof. both be scum? I agree it seems unlikely given they voted for each other fairly early and without a great deal of evidence, which would be odd. So I’m starting to think it’s better for the game maybe if we lynch Sario. If he is revealed as scum, we can probably completely reassess Prof P. If he reveals as town, Prof P remains under serious suspicion. Whereas if we lynch Prof P and are wrong, we haven’t got much useful information and probably still want to lynch Sario next day anyway. > [@WF\_Tomba](#): > > If I switched my vote to **Sario** , I would create a tie, which I don’t want to do. Is anybody else thinking that? Absolutely. I don’t like the fact the voting is so close - it makes it too easy for a wolf to jump in just before end of day and create a tie, and if none of us townies is watching (I’ll be working at end of day so won’t be able to keep an eye on things down to the wire) this could result in no lynch when we have a couple of solid suspicions to go on. > [@IRConfused](#): > > I originally chose **Sario** pretty much at random. As the week went on, I started feeling that I had actually picked correctly. I certainly do not have any experience playing, but I have watched and tried to pick out town vs scum in a number of past games here on SDMB. **Sario** is currently my strongest scum read. Maybe it’s just his style, but he sure hasn’t done anything that I have seen to help out town. There are certainly others in that category, but he “smells” the worst to me. I really don’t understand why he hasn’t tried to make a case. If he somehow gets lynched (not going to happen unless we have some last minute vote changes), and he turns out to be town, I would have to start back up with the **Prof**. I’m getting more townie towards you now you’ve started posting a bit more. If it was between you and Sario and I had voted for you, I’d change to him, no question. But I don’t know why you’re so confident he won’t get lynched? Lots of time yet for people to change votes. Guys, based on the above we need to decide pretty much now which way we’re going to go. Despite the fact it may cast suspicion on me, based on recent posts including this one I’m going to switch, at least for now. “When the facts change, I change my mind.” **UNVOTE Prof. Pepperwinkle** **[COLOR=“Navy”][COLOR=“Blue”]VOTE Sario[/COLOR][/COLOR]** If you agree, please consider changing your vote (especially if it’s currently for neither of the above) to create a solid majority one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/285 "2015-10-30T06:45:56Z")
> [@IRConfused](#): > > We don’t know what the tiebreaker rules are yet. They could be anything from nobody gets lynched to both get lynched. The only way we will find out is if there is one. As long as it is a mystery, there is less of a chance that someone might try to force it. THE ABOVE IS INCORRECT. Please excuse the shouting, but it’s really important. See rule 7 from the OP. In the event of a tie on day one, there will no lynch. On subsequent days, the moderator will choose one of the tied players at random and lynch them. I think we’re pretty much all agreed we don’t want a no lynch on day one, so let’s make sure there isn’t a tie. ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/286 "2015-10-30T06:50:51Z")
> [@IRConfused](#): > > We don’t know what the tiebreaker rules are yet. They could be anything from nobody gets lynched to both get lynched. The only way we will find out is if there is one. As long as it is a mystery, there is less of a chance that someone might try to force it. It’s in the OP: [QUOTE=Johnny Bravo] 7. In the event of a tie on Day 1, there will be no lynch. In the event of a tie on following Days, I will randomly choose a player from among those who are tied. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/287 "2015-10-30T06:54:23Z")
Ninja’ed! Should have previewed. ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/288 "2015-10-30T07:08:11Z")
**Dead Cat** convinced me. **Unvote Astral Rejection** **Vote Sario** I was already thinking of moving my vote to the leading candidate (which at the time was **Prof. P** ) just to make a tie less likely. But you also convinced me that **Sario** is a better choice, my feelings about **Astral** and the **Prof.** notwithstanding. ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/289 "2015-10-30T07:08:16Z")
Sorry folks,I completely missed that. I should have re-read the op. I thought I had seen something different. Was probably in the signup thread. My count shows Sario 5, Prof 4 at the moment. Still close enough that someone could try to force the tie ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/290 "2015-10-30T07:11:49Z")
> [@WF\_Tomba](#): > > **Dead Cat** convinced me. > > **Unvote Astral Rejection** > **Vote Sario** > > I was already thinking of moving my vote to the leading candidate (which at the time was **Prof. P** ) just to make a tie less likely. But you also convinced me that **Sario** is a better choice, my feelings about **Astral** and the **Prof.** notwithstanding. Ok posted at the same time so it should be **Sario** 6, **Prof** 4 ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/291 "2015-10-30T08:21:06Z")
Johnny Bravo, can I just clarify that the day ends at noon EST, even though the US East Coast is still on EDT today (i.e. one hour ahead of EST)? So the day will end at 5pm GMT/UTC, which is 1pm EDT (current New York time), 12 noon EST? ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/292 "2015-10-30T08:24:15Z")
> [@Dead\_Cat](#): > > Johnny Bravo, can I just clarify that the day ends at noon EST, even though the US East Coast is still on EDT today (i.e. one hour ahead of EST)? So the day will end at 5pm GMT/UTC, which is 1pm EDT (current New York time), 12 noon EST? To clarify still further, by my reckoning the end of day one will be in 8 hours 35 minutes after the time stamp of this post. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/293 "2015-10-30T08:25:42Z")
> [@IRConfused](#): > > Ok posted at the same time so it should be **Sario** 6, **Prof** 4 Agreed. I’d like it to be a bigger gap than that, but I know most of the US is asleep at the moment, so hopefully people will check in today and make their decision accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/294 "2015-10-30T08:42:33Z")
> [@Dead\_Cat](#): > > To clarify still further, by my reckoning the end of day one will be in 8 hours 35 minutes after the time stamp of this post. Check out post 249. He says day ends in 23 hours. I think you are one hour off. Looks like 7 hours 35 minutes from the time of your post. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/295 "2015-10-30T09:43:12Z")
Setting my alarm for 830am. Though no promises ill actually get up for it. Or read this thread. Or be unbrain dead enough to properly comment. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/296 "2015-10-30T11:41:19Z")
\*\*You people are confusing the moderator with your distinctions between EST and EDT. The game ends when his clock says noon. That is happening in four hours and twenty minutes (hur hur hur). Here is the last official vote count until EoD. Sario - 6 votes: (IRConfused 55)(Prof. Pepperwinkle 191)(snfaulkner 237)(Astral Rejection 245)(Dead Cat 284)(WF Tomba 288) Prof Pepperwinkle - 4 votes: (Sario 38)(Precambrianmollusc 76)(Biotop 211)(Texcat 218) IRConfused - 2 vote: (Octarine 160)(Hooker Chemical 246) Biotop - 1 vote: (Mahaloth 124) snfaulkner - 1 vote: (Suburban Plankton 127) Mahaloth - 1 vote: (Dante G 129) \*\* ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/297 "2015-10-30T12:23:36Z")
**Unvote IRConfused Vote Sario** Let’s widen that gap a bit. I’ve stated the evidence. IRConfused has responded, Sario hasn’t. That’s not proof, but it certainly moves the needle enough to move my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/298 "2015-10-30T12:46:40Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > \*\*You people are confusing the moderator with your distinctions between EST and EDT. The game ends when his clock says noon. That is happening in four hours and twenty minutes (hur hur hur). > > \*\* Don’t worry, it’s only an issue for the first day - by the end of the first night, EDT will have ended and so should any possibility of confusion. Thanks for clarifying that you actually meant EDT :). > [@HookerChemical](#): > > **Unvote IRConfused > Vote Sario** > > Let’s widen that gap a bit. I’ve stated the evidence. IRConfused has responded, Sario hasn’t. That’s not proof, but it certainly moves the needle enough to move my vote. Not only that, but with only 2 votes it was unlikely for IRConfused to be lynched anyway. I will just add that Mahaloth has been extremely quiet so far and remains very much under my suspicion. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/299 "2015-10-30T12:54:28Z")
After tossing and turning about this last night I have decided to keep my vote with **Prof. Pepperwinkle**. I will be checking when I can from my phone today at work, but I am at peace with this whichever way we end up going. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/300 "2015-10-30T13:05:22Z")
> [@Dead\_Cat](#): > > Not only that, but with only 2 votes it was unlikely for IRConfused to be lynched anyway. > > I will just add that Mahaloth has been extremely quiet so far and remains very much under my suspicion. I tried for IRConfused, but the consensus didn’t form and I’m now very slightly leaning Sario. If it’s a mis-lynch, I’m probably on the IRConfused train again. Though Mahaloth’s silence is worrying as well. I agree that it needs a :dubious:. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585.md?page=16)