# Trouble in Paradise (Mafia Game Thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [October 23, 2015, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585 "2015-10-23T22:52:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/661 "2015-11-20T03:21:01Z")
It is that time of the week for me to retire to the bamboo bar to be served rum drinks in a coconut by one of our many monkey butlers. I will be checking in, but only commenting if the rum drinks allow me to…or force me to. If so, expect autoincorrections and more fucked up bold/color tags. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/662 "2015-11-20T04:24:13Z")
So we have another late-Day wagon building…because it worked so well the first time we tried it… As I noted, I’m leaning Town on **Dante** …but not as hard as I’m leaning Town on myself…so **Unvote Dead Cat Vote Dante G** A coin-flip is better than nothing… If someone wants to join me in voting for **Dead Cat** instead, I’ll gladly switch my vote back. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/663 "2015-11-20T04:25:45Z")
No Dang it! I don’t need to ask my wife or dog. Right now it is almost certainly 6 to 2. If the player we vote for flips Town, then we are in trouble. Serious trouble. Get it wrong this time and the the game (Probable 4 wolves assumed to start–no PIS) then the score turns to 4 to 2. Then we lynch another player and if we are wrong the game turns 2 to 2. At that point the wolves have control of the voting, and we either have two tie breakers, or we have a loss to the wolves on the first coin flip. It is not do or die, but we need to get it right toDay. This game started off with a whole lot of “lynch the lurker” garbage from Scum \*\*Prof. P. \*\*It made no sense at the time, but I think it makes a heck of a lot of sense now. **IRConfused** and **Octarine** were both lurkers and were on my short list of players to lynch. **IRConfused** is now virtually confirmed Town, with a very good reason for lurking. I think **Octarine** has a very good reason for lurking too. It’s not like he hasn’t been posting elsewhere on the SDMB. **Suburban** may be the other wolf, or perhaps there is an investigated Alpha, or maybe I am even wrong about one of my pseudo-masons, **DeadCat** and **Hooker**. But **Suburban Plankton** has at least been playing. **Octarine** has been AWOL. Unvote Suburban Plankton Vote Octarine And yeah, I could change my mind again. This really is annoying because I have a long day tomorrow and need to be sleeping tonight instead of stressing over this. It is just a game ^ **^#@**! …step away from the computer… ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/664 "2015-11-20T04:58:18Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > So we have another late-Day wagon building…because it worked so well the first time we tried it… > As I noted, I’m leaning Town on **Dante** …but not as hard as I’m leaning Town on myself…so > > **Unvote Dead Cat > Vote Dante G** > > A coin-flip is better than nothing… > > If someone wants to join me in voting for **Dead Cat** instead, I’ll gladly switch my vote back. Im only 2 pints in so Im sure im not drunk. But this post makes no sense. I translate this as “I think dante is town, so I vote for him”. Did I miss something? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/665 "2015-11-20T05:11:08Z")
To expand on my point, it seems like a vote to get the bandwagon off him (sub p) than it does trying to wolf hunt. Which reeks of wet wolf to me. Or maybe I am drunk. Bah! Im with biotop…put the phone down…its just a damn game. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/666 "2015-11-20T05:35:02Z")
IRC, besides your vote for toDay, who would you investigate toNight? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/667 "2015-11-20T05:42:22Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Im only 2 pints in so Im sure im not drunk. But this post makes no sense. I translate this as “I think dante is town, so I vote for him”. Did I miss something? It’s a self-preservation vote, pure and simple. I know I’m Town. I don’t know Dante is Town. Therefore, it’s a better idea to lynch him than me. QED. Of course, the first premise of the argument is rather dependent on one’s point of view… As far as Scum hunting goes: I’ve already said I think **Dead Cat** is Scum. I’m also leaning Scum on **snfaulkner**. \*\*Octarine \*\*I have no real read on whatsoever at this point. the same goes for **HookerChemical** , though for different reasons;for HC it’s a matter of not leaning one way or another, while with Octarine it’s more a case of not having much evidence to work with. I’ve gotten a Town feel on \*\*Biotop \*\*all game. I was “undecided due to lack of evidence” on \*\*IRConfused \*\*until his claim. I can’t figure any reason for Scum to have made it, so I’m guessing he’s Town. I have a Town read on **Dante** , but as I explained, it’s better him than me. I’d rather lynch Dead Cat or snfaulkner, but I can’t do that by myself. I’d also throw in against Octarine if he doesn’t come back and give me a reason not to. ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/668 "2015-11-20T06:03:07Z")
Ok **Suburban Plankton** , lets go. VOTE Octarine This puts the vote count at \*\*Octarine \*\*- Biotop (663), IRConfused (668) \*\*Dante G \*\*- Subrban Plankton (662), Dead Cat (627), Octarine (610) **Suburban Plankton** - snfaulkner (658), HookerChemical (657) **snfaulkner** - Dante G (628) If you move to \*\*Octarine \*\*he goes. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/669 "2015-11-20T06:04:45Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I’d also throw in against Octarine if he doesn’t come back and give me a reason not to. Ok, sub p. Im a full pitcher in now, so im sure this a bad idea. But here we go… The fact you are willing to throw just about anybody under the bus screams wolf to me more than ever. HOWEVER, I will make a deal with the devil (you) right now. You change and keep your vote on my number 2 suspect (octarine) and I will join you. Im not trying to defend dante g, but I do like biotops logic right now. And of course, if octarine chimes in with something brilliant, I reserve the right to change votes. Deal? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/670 "2015-11-20T06:06:41Z")
Oh niiice IRC! You ninja’d my throw down! ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/671 "2015-11-20T06:07:55Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > The fact you are willing to throw just about anybody under the bus screams wolf to me more than ever. I guess you and I have different views on self-preservation votes. That’s fine by me. But I will accept your (and IRC’s) offer…I’d rather lynch Octarine than Dante at this point. **Unvote Dante G Vote Octarine** ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/672 "2015-11-20T06:09:11Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > IRC, besides your vote for toDay, who would you investigate toNight? Why should he answer that question? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/673 "2015-11-20T06:13:17Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Why should he answer that question? He doesnt have to. Just curious whom else he is interested in since he is already assuming he’ll be night killed. **UNVOTE SUBURBAN PLANKTON VOTE OCTARINE** ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/674 "2015-11-20T06:23:54Z")
I’m off to bed…I should be online an hour or so before EoD. ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/675 "2015-11-20T06:27:28Z")
This puts the vote count at \*\*Octarine \*\*- Biotop (663), IRConfused (667), Subrban Plankton (671), snfaulkner (673) \*\*Dante G \*\*- Octarine (610), Dead Cat (627) **Suburban Plankton** - HookerChemical (657) \*\*snfaulkner \*\*- Dante G (628) I will hopefully post my final thoughts just before the deadline. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/676 "2015-11-20T06:59:57Z")
Octarine, you’re out of time. I agree with the case against you as demonstrated by Hooker, Biotop, and others. While I still think Suburban Plankton could be scum despite his switch, I’m not going to muddy the waters by voting for him toDay. I have to be at work soon and am unlikely to be able to post for the rest of the day. IRConfused, in case you survive the night I would suggest investigating Suburban Plankton. If others publicly agree, and you are night killed, that may give us the information we want anyway. I still think Dante could be the alpha (especially if we are wrong about Octarine) but at the moment the odds say: **UNVOTE Dante G** **VOTE Octarine** ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/677 "2015-11-20T12:52:43Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Im only 2 pints in so Im sure im not drunk. But this post makes no sense. I translate this as “I think dante is town, so I vote for him”. Did I miss something? It’s neither scummy or townie. It’s self-preservation. If he’s town, he knows that and would rather see anybody who is not confirmed town killed in his place. Even if he thinks they’re town, he doesn’t know they’re town and that’s better than what he knows is a mislynch. If he’s scum, it’s self preservation that could drive a mis-lynch. Best case, it creates a mis-lynch, next best case it hits another wolf and gives him townie credit. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Why should he answer that question? He shouldn’t. He’s probably dead toNight, but if he lives, he shouldn’t answer and potentially give a scum power role any information on potential people to protect. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/678 "2015-11-20T13:51:34Z")
\*\* Official Vote Count: Octarine - 5 votes - (Biotop 663)(IRconfused 668)(Suburban Plankton 671)(snfaulkner 673)(Dead Cat 676) snfaulkner - 1 vote - (Dante G 628) Dante G - 1 vote - (Octarine 610) Suburban Plankton - 1 vote - (HookerChemical 657)\*\* The day ends in two hours. I am jetlagged and reserve the right to forgo flavor text. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/679 "2015-11-20T14:38:19Z")
My schedule calls for me to work every day next week including Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving is like the Super Bowl for grocery store workers. Overtime is more than probable all week. End of Day would currrently be the morning of Black Friday. I would like to see it moved to Saturday to give those of us with holiday work/ family obligations a chance to play. Right now I don’t expect to be dead at that time (sorry, IRC). Anyone else have an opinion? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/680 "2015-11-20T14:46:13Z")
**Extending toMorrow to Saturday seems reasonable. I’ll do that if there are no strenuous objections.** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585.md?page=35)