# Trouble in Paradise (Mafia Game Thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [October 23, 2015, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585 "2015-10-23T22:52:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/81 "2015-10-25T15:43:48Z")
So, commenting on all the voters: > [@Sario](#): > > I’ll get us started then > > **Vote Prof. Pepperwinkle** > > for bringing up the no-lynch again. I’m fine with this vote. > [@HookerChemical](#): > > VOTE SARIO > > The issue needed to be broached. A non-lynch is much less likely, and the requirement of a tie I think favors scum meddling, so I’m leaning strongly to a lynch. (If it were majority required, I’d reconsider that position.) I’m fine with this vote too. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > OK, I’m caught up. First a housekeeping note: if I fall afoul of Rule 5, I’m a big fan of Pliny the Elder. > > Second, \*\*vote Dante G \*\*, because [random.org](http://random.org) told me to. > > I’m casting a sideways glance at **WF Tomba** for preparing a “people we ought to think about lunching, 'cause they would be really dangerous if they were Scum, ya know” list. Not a vote, but I agree with this sidewise glance. I would not vote for that myself (bad ideas do not necessarily indicate scum), but it would be a fine Day 1 vote. SP must play by phone, because I always have to remember to correct “lunching” too! > [@HookerChemical](#): > > unvote Sario > > vote WF Tomba > > Yes, my voting is fickle. We have until Friday to get this sorted. > > Looking for dangerous players is only useful if a player is known to have a stronger scum game than town or there are are indications they’re scum. Otherwise, we’re killing off people that would provide a significant help to town as likely as not. (This coming from a fairly new player, so this isn’t self preservation.) Fine Day 1 vote. 😃 Hooker gives me a slight town lean for this post, because it feels like it came from a genuine point of feel. Just a gut feel on that. > [@TexCat](#): > > As Suburban and Hooker have pointed out, this is a bad idea, especially on Day One. Without any other indication, odds are that Astral and Mahaloth are both town. > > \*\*vote: Biotop \*\* > for his large Go Town! Ehhhhhh, not feeling this one. It’s a gut feeling vote, I guess, but it’s totally divorced from anything anybody else could follow unless they’ve got the same gut feeling. This doesn’t feel like a _scum_ Day 1 vote though, so I’m aight with it. > [@IRConfused](#): > > I am finally awake! I agree that it does not make much sense for Town to lynch the experienced players early since they will be able to contribute their experience and hopefully expose the wolfs faster. However, from the games that I have watched, **Sario** does seem to be fated to always being Scum so **VOTE SARIO**. Already commented on this one. Zero chance outside of luck to catch scum, with perhaps a touch of “over-explaining” an already weak vote. Slight scum lean for this one, on further reflection. > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Well > The lynch the lurker bandwagon set in stone best rule ever , only 8 hrs into the game is odd. I am sure the “ I was just getting discussion started defense , will come out, but that is not the crux of the issue. > > In post 11 prof P come out with massive pro town support on Tomba to Biotop. Prof P has no basis for that , unless he knows Tomba is town, hence a huge snuggle. And why to Biotop, again seems sure he is town. > > Vote Prof. Pepperwinkle This _feels_ like an acceptable Day 1 lynch if you had stuck with the lynch the quiet/loud aspect, but I think you’re overselling it in this post. No lean for this, or maybe just the tiniest scum lean, just not on-board with your specific rationale for voting. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/82 "2015-10-25T15:58:09Z")
Vote Count Prof. Pepperwinkle (2): Sario [38], Precambrianmollusc [76] Sario (1): [del]HookerChemical [39][/del], IRConfused [55] Dante G (1): Suburban Plankton [41] WF Tomba (1): HookerChemical [45] Biotop (1): TexCat [50] Incidentally, I missed Suburban Plankton’s vote for Dante G in post 41, because my brain said “haha, that’s the moderator, nice joke SP!” Dante is a _player_ now, brain! Also, I think it’s a poor vote. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Octarine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/22d042/32.png) [@Octarine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Octarine)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/83 "2015-10-25T16:19:11Z")
> [@Dead\_Cat](#): > > Only if you are playing for yourself rather than playing for the team. If you make a series of perceptive posts identifying one or more scum, and are then night killed, that’s potentially very helpful for town. Got it, that makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/84 "2015-10-25T16:24:22Z")
Time for my gut feel vote to make the lynch runner-up a 5-way tie: **Vote Dead Cat** Of our no-voters, s/he’s been mixing it up the most, with not much to show for it. A few mentioned suspicions, but not enough to vote for any of them, and a few comments on the game state. That’s more or less a wash this early in the game, but this comment makes my scumdar tingle a touch: > [@Dead\_Cat](#): > > I’m not too concerned about being night killed early myself - I’m going to assume there is a guardian in the game who will protect me if they think I need protecting, or if not then maybe my death will be useful to town anyway. It’s factual - yes, the guardian will indeed protect Dead Cat if the guardian both exists and thinks Dead Cat is worth saving, but it doesn’t actually make any sense in the context of the conversation. It’s in response to someone talking about a lack of day participation during the weekend. It’s not even necessarily wrong, but it just doesn’t seem _right_ to me, and that’s enough to earn an early Day 1 vote. I’m not sure I have a runner-up. I like IRConfused’s vote the least, but I’m unlikely to vote for it in an absence of other reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/85 "2015-10-25T16:26:15Z")
My vote really isn’t for the loud/lurker thing, that’s a valid discussion, the Prof is pushing it pretty hard though. In this post ; > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > I wish Cygnus was here. Biotop, Tomba is a very good guesser; he can be the unofficial Third Mason this go-round. he is essentially calling Tomba confirmed town. Unless the Prof is a wolf , he cannot know what side Tomba is on, so there would be no basis for calling him the “unofficial third mason”, unless the prof knows for sure that Tomba is town. He also should not know what alignment Bio is, yet seams to show no caution in giving helpful advice. Also indicative that he is pretty certain Bio is town. I suppose that the Prof could be a mason, if we have them, and is handing out his fellow masons identities for all to see, but I can’t see anyone making that kind of error. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/86 "2015-10-25T16:34:15Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > My vote really isn’t for the loud/lurker thing, that’s a valid discussion, the Prof is pushing it pretty hard though. > > In this post ; > > he is essentially calling Tomba confirmed town. Unless the Prof is a wolf , he cannot know what side Tomba is on, so there would be no basis for calling him the “unofficial third mason”, unless the prof knows for sure that Tomba is town. > > He also should not know what alignment Bio is, yet seams to show no caution in giving helpful advice. Also indicative that he is pretty certain Bio is town. > > I suppose that the Prof could be a mason, if we have them, and is handing out his fellow masons identities for all to see, but I can’t see anyone making that kind of error. I really just don’t see it the same way you do, I guess. I don’t read that as anything other than friendly chat. I certainly don’t think he’s claiming mason or anything. In our previous game, WF Tomba nailed all three scum very early on in a guesswork post. That’s what Prof. Pepperwinkle seems to be referring to. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/87 "2015-10-25T16:35:36Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > My vote really isn’t for the loud/lurker thing, that’s a valid discussion, the Prof is pushing it pretty hard though. > > In this post ; > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by Prof. Pepperwinkle View Post > > I wish Cygnus was here. Biotop, Tomba is a very good guesser; he can be the unofficial Third Mason this go-round. > > he is essentially calling Tomba confirmed town. Unless the Prof is a wolf , he cannot know what side Tomba is on, so there would be no basis for calling him the “unofficial third mason”, unless the prof knows for sure that Tomba is town. > > He also should not know what alignment Bio is, yet seams to show no caution in giving helpful advice. Also indicative that he is pretty certain Bio is town. > > I suppose that the Prof could be a mason, if we have them, and is handing out his fellow masons identities for all to see, but I can’t see anyone making that kind of error. No, it’s just wishful thinking on my part. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/88 "2015-10-25T16:48:10Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I really just don’t see it the same way you do, I guess. I don’t read that as anything other than friendly chat. I certainly don’t think he’s claiming mason or anything. In our previous game, WF Tomba nailed all three scum very early on in a guesswork post. That’s what Prof. Pepperwinkle seems to be referring to. Yes , could be just chit chat, but to me it seams like excessive snuggling with a smidgeon of perfect info. Best I have for 24 hrs into the game. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/89 "2015-10-25T16:49:38Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Yes , could be just chit chat, but to me it seams like excessive snuggling with a smidgeon of perfect info. Best I have for 24 hrs into the game. That’s fine, as I mentioned in my previous post. It’s just not a vote I can follow you on. ---
**Author:** ![Dante\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@Dante\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante_G)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/90 "2015-10-25T17:01:11Z")
OK, Astral, why is my vote a poor vote. A few others have voted for Tomba for the same reason and yet you said nothing ill of theirs, except for to say that you would not vote for Tomba yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/91 "2015-10-25T17:04:45Z")
Fynbo me, I Cantal my argument is not convincing, I just don’t want to see the Gammelost because we voted Pourly ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/92 "2015-10-25T17:06:57Z")
I should probably spend less time perusing a list of cheeses and more time reading the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/93 "2015-10-25T18:37:19Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > “Lynch the lurker” works better in the early part of the game than anything else I’ve found in my brief … Does it work better than chance? Like, does it work better than randomly picking someone and lynching them? ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/94 "2015-10-25T19:19:09Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Not a vote, but I agree with this sidewise glance. I would not vote for that myself (bad ideas do not necessarily indicate scum), but it would be a fine Day 1 vote. SP must play by phone, because I always have to remember to correct “lunching” too! > > Fine Day 1 vote. 😃 > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I really just don’t see it the same way you do, I guess. I don’t read that as anything other than friendly chat. I certainly don’t think he’s claiming mason or anything. In our previous game, WF Tomba nailed all three scum very early on in a guesswork post. That’s what Prof. Pepperwinkle seems to be referring to. I see you’ve already started casually laying the groundwork for a bogus case against me. First you repeatedly praise players for casting suspicion on me and voting for me, then you shoot down a theory that happens to imply that I’m Town. All without casting a vote for me yourself. Very clever. A dangerous player indeed! **Vote Astral Rejection** ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/95 "2015-10-25T21:31:16Z")
> [@WF\_Tomba](#): > > I see you’ve already started casually laying the groundwork for a bogus case against me. First you repeatedly praise players for casting suspicion on me and voting for me, then you shoot down a theory that happens to imply that I’m Town. All without casting a vote for me yourself. Very clever. A dangerous player indeed! > > **Vote Astral Rejection** I… don’t understand what you’re talking about? I’m commenting on the quality of each voter and assessing for THEIR scummyness. I’m not commenting on the actual case they’re making, but how they’re making it. Also, what theory? I think Prof. P was making reference to the previous game, not actually floating a theory that you’re a trio of masons. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/96 "2015-10-25T21:45:42Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > [ul] > [li]…Even if you’re about to be mis-lynched for a horrible cheese pun…[/li][/ul] I’m perfectly ok with a mis-lynch on Day1 with for horrible cheese puns, with no other real information yet. So… **VOTE PRECAMBRIANMOLLUSC** for this atrocity… > [@](#): > > Well I’d Assa the same question but there is an Abondance of cheese, and Basing on the number of players , if you Caerphilly look, and I admit I would be Adelost at the full list we could Comte to a conclusion that the mafia Raclette should go to Hellim. > > Maybe we could Chevre some ideas, and if our suspicions Paneer out and we don’t Mish anything , and don’t Glouster ver facts, and so long as we are Brie f in our discussion (ok that was a stretch, but Imsil thinking about cheese ) the outcome maybe not so Greve. But , like me , Dolcelatte know what the outcome will be in the morning, and you Gouda think it will all be for the best. > In this long Saga, at the end I say Havarti, you foul wolf mafia scum ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/97 "2015-10-25T21:51:31Z")
**Astral Rejection** I have my eye on you too, for this… > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Yoooouuuuu! I like you. 😃 …in regards to **Precambrian** ’s painful cheesery. Plus your own cheeseries previous. Wolfies like the taste of cheese, if they are anything like my chihuahua… ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/98 "2015-10-25T21:53:50Z")
**Prof Pep** , You are also on my cheese nibbler list for this… > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Nice job with the cheese jokes. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/99 "2015-10-25T22:06:34Z")
> [@Dead\_Cat](#): > > I’m not too concerned about being night killed early myself - I’m going to assume there is a guardian in the game who will protect me if they think I need protecting, or if not then maybe my death will be useful to town anyway. Being a n00b, I’m pretty sure I might be wrong. But what I’ve read on mafiascum, I think this smells like an attempt to breadcrumb. **Dead Cat** IS said guardian… Also being a n00b, Should I have not pointed this out? Did I just doom our guardian? ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/100 "2015-10-25T22:23:21Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Time for my gut feel vote to make the lynch runner-up a 5-way tie: > > **Vote Dead Cat** > > Of our no-voters, s/he’s been mixing it up the most, with not much to show for it. A few mentioned suspicions, but not enough to vote for any of them, and a few comments on the game state. That’s more or less a wash this early in the game, but this comment makes my scumdar tingle a touch: > > It’s factual - yes, the guardian will indeed protect Dead Cat if the guardian both exists and thinks Dead Cat is worth saving, but it doesn’t actually make any sense in the context of the conversation. It’s in response to someone talking about a lack of day participation during the weekend. It’s not even necessarily wrong, but it just doesn’t seem _right_ to me, and that’s enough to earn an early Day 1 vote. I’ll just say that my comment about a possible guardian was not meant to be in context as such, it was just a general comment about how I feel. Nor was it meant to be “breadcrumbing” - first I’d heard of the term. Anyway, while I am generally in favour of “lynch the lurker” as a valid opening tactic (for the reasons already stated by me and others), I feel at this point we have a real opportunity to catch a wolf cold (as it were). **VOTE Prof. Pepperwinkle** Prof., if I’m wrong I’m really sorry but I’m having a hard time thinking of anything you can say now that will change my mind. Oh, and Astral Rejection, that seems like a pretty weak reason for voting for me, so you’re under my suspicion now as well. Isn’t this climate of fear fun? 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585.md?page=6)