# True believers: dominion over animals?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-believers-dominion-over-animals/670851
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [October 10, 2013, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-believers-dominion-over-animals/670851 "2013-10-10T05:06:36Z")
**Posts on this page:** 4
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### Author:  [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2013, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-believers-dominion-over-animals/670851/61 "2013-10-13T14:41:36Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#):
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> The former IMO but Adam and Eve were given souls by God along with genuine immortality.
You do realise that this essentially constitutes “Just making shit up” in order that a previous held notion can still be maintained, albeit a watered down version?
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### Author:  [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2013, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-believers-dominion-over-animals/670851/62 "2013-10-13T23:00:03Z")
> [@simster](#):
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> right - god’s plan - thats more a ‘teaching’ _ **from** _ the bible - not so sure that its actually _ **in** _ the bible as such - there are certainly a few verses that could be used to impress that it ‘has a plan’.
Verses like this?
“In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will.”
Ephesians 1:11
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> I always took ‘gods plan’ as an excuse when followers couldn’t figure out why God let some foul thing happen.
Well that’s certainly true. ‘God’s plan’ doesn’t seem to get as much play these days as it used to. These days Christians really seem to like to trumpet ‘man’s free will’ as their solution to the problem of evil. Though free will isn’t exactly _in_ the Bible either.
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### Author:  [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2013, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-believers-dominion-over-animals/670851/63 "2013-10-14T06:39:55Z")
> [@Kable](#):
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> OK, I read the wiki the framework theory but it didn’t answer my question. 6 day creation is metaphorical then? The flood a gross exaggeration? No need for animals on the ark?
Yes although I wouldn’t say the Flood is an “exaggeration”.
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> See that’s what I don’t get. You believe in the talking snake but not in creation as described in the same book. One’s just as unlikely as the other.
Well someone or something but have tempted Eve to thereby cause Original Sin.
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### Author:  [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2013, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-believers-dominion-over-animals/670851/64 "2013-10-14T12:00:47Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#):
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> Yes although I wouldn’t say the Flood is an “exaggeration”.
Why not?
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> Well someone or something but have tempted Eve to thereby cause Original Sin.
Her just eating the fruit on her own and blaming it on a talking snake is more likely than a talking snake, don’t you think? And seeing is how you don’t accept 6 day creation as factual, what makes you think Eve’s existence is factual?
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