# True Blood (bath) 3.7 - "Hitting the Ground" OPEN SPOILERS **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 2, 2010, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859 "2010-08-02T04:37:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![tr0psn4j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@tr0psn4j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tr0psn4j)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859/41 "2010-08-03T17:44:41Z")
> [@Xan](#): > > > [@slagathor](#): > > > > I’m with ya..she’s not very good. She reminds me of a lot of child actors..they overact, terribly. > > > > I’m sure there are some very unpleasant things in Russell’s future but he got a serious thumbs up from me for killing Magister Creepy. And honestly, so did Tara for throwing Bill out into the sun. He’s not on my happy list. > > Seriously, what was everyone expecting? Leaving a seriously wounded vampire alone with anyone is like leaving a steak in front of a starving person. Hell, the scene almost flat out says Bill wasn’t in control of his actions. Yeah, it played out a little differently in the book. What she did in the show is dumb and she would have known better had she taken 2 seconds to think about it. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859/42 "2010-08-03T17:47:58Z")
> [@tr0psn4j](#): > > Well The Queen _is_ a teenager. Teenagers are a little more melodramatic. But she’s not _really_ a teenager, right? Have they said how old she actually is? I liked this exchange between Jason and Andy in the jail: Andy: _What the hell, Stackhouse? You ain’t supposed to be back here!_ Jason: _Well, I’m just… sweepin’._ Andy: _Yeah? Where’s your broom?_ Jason: _That’s a good point._ 😛 ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859/43 "2010-08-03T18:01:54Z")
> [@tr0psn4j](#): > > Yeah, it played out a little differently in the book. What she did in the show is dumb and she would have known better had she taken 2 seconds to think about it. Does she take two seconds to think about anything? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859/44 "2010-08-03T18:02:24Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > > > So Sookie’s dream is some insight into what she truly is. So what exactlly is that? Nymphs? Faeries? Members of the Polyphonic Spree? > > I haven’t read the books, but my understanding from those who have is that Sookie is a faerie. So, I don’t care about being spoiled on this… can anyone tell me what it means to be one of those? In spoiler boxes, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859/45 "2010-08-03T18:15:31Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > Actually I’m not sure they ever said that about Godric. I recently watched all the episodes again (with a friend who’d never seen the show) and I listened for this because I’d seen it said here before. Although Eric does say that Godric is 2000 years old, he says something on the order of “He’s twice the vampire of anyone in North America, possibly the world.” but he never says that he is the oldest. I took “twice the vampire” as just being _better_ not older. > > Now, I fully admit that they might have said it another time and I missed it, but I was really trying to listen for it. I thought Eric said Godric was the oldest one. FYI, the Wikipedia article on the characters says that Eric said, “there are none above him in the New World.” ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859/46 "2010-08-03T18:17:36Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > > [@hajario](#): > > > > This is a continuity fuck up because last season they said that Godric (~2000 y.o.) was the oldest vamp in North America. > > Actually I’m not sure they ever said that about Godric. I recently watched all the episodes again (with a friend who’d never seen the show) and I listened for this because I’d seen it said here before. Although Eric does say that Godric is 2000 years old, he says something on the order of “He’s twice the vampire of anyone in North America, possibly the world.” but he never says that he is the oldest. I took “twice the vampire” as just being _better_ not older. > > Now, I fully admit that they might have said it another time and I missed it, but I was really trying to listen for it. Interesting. That would be something to ask on TWOP if only I could stand to read more than a few posts from those twats. Their breadth of knowledge is impressive but their obsession is bordering on insane. > [@TWOP post](#): > > This episode was so intense that I will have to wait until morning until I can fully process it. > > By the way, did anyone notice the guy in the background when Sookie walked into the were bar? Wasn’t he the same guy who played Rachel’s date on the episode of Friends where they got stuck in the elevator? > > Oh and STFU Andy STFU Tara STFU Jessica. ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859/47 "2010-08-03T18:51:51Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > I haven’t read the books, but my understanding from those who have is that Sookie is a faerie. > > So, I don’t care about being spoiled on this… can anyone tell me what it means to be one of those? In spoiler boxes, of course. Yup. Her gramma fiddled with a faerie, and Sookie ended up with faerie blood and the ability to read thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859/48 "2010-08-03T19:32:59Z")
> [@singular1](#): > > > [@John\_Mace](#): > > > > So, I don’t care about being spoiled on this… can anyone tell me what it means to be one of those? In spoiler boxes, of course. > > Yup. Her gramma fiddled with a faerie, and Sookie ended up with faerie blood and the ability to read thoughts. But what specific powers do fairies have? I thought I read somewhere that mind reading wasn’t actually a fairy power, and indicated that Sookie was more than just a fairy. ---
**Author:** ![tr0psn4j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@tr0psn4j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tr0psn4j)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859/49 "2010-08-03T20:56:21Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > > [@tr0psn4j](#): > > > > Well The Queen _is_ a teenager. Teenagers are a little more melodramatic. > > But she’s not _really_ a teenager, right? Have they said how old she actually is? > I liked this exchange between Jason and Andy in the jail: > > Andy: _What the hell, Stackhouse? You ain’t supposed to be back here!_ > Jason: _Well, I’m just… sweepin’._ > Andy: _Yeah? Where’s your broom?_ > Jason: _That’s a good point._ > > 😛 By teenager, I meant to say, “She was turned into a vampire when she was 15 years old” I don’t really remember when that was though. Kinda sorta thinking French Revolution. ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859/50 "2010-08-03T21:15:26Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > > [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > > > Actually I’m not sure they ever said that about Godric. I recently watched all the episodes again (with a friend who’d never seen the show) and I listened for this because I’d seen it said here before. Although Eric does say that Godric is 2000 years old, he says something on the order of “He’s twice the vampire of anyone in North America, possibly the world.” but he never says that he is the oldest. I took “twice the vampire” as just being _better_ not older. > > > > Now, I fully admit that they might have said it another time and I missed it, but I was really trying to listen for it. > > I thought Eric said Godric was the oldest one. FYI, the Wikipedia article on the characters says that Eric said, “there are none above him in the New World.” Yeah he said that right after the whole “he is twice the vampire” thing. I can definitely see where someone would interpret that as him being the oldest, but in the context I really just figured he meant that he was the _best_ and probably because he was his maker. The conversation was with Bill when Bill wanted to know why Eric was going to so much trouble for “just a sheriff” and Eric was telling him why he could be King if he wanted. Plus, what Eric says I just go with because he is HOT. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859/51 "2010-08-03T21:20:25Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > > [@singular1](#): > > > > Yup. Her gramma fiddled with a faerie, and Sookie ended up with faerie blood and the ability to read thoughts. > > But what specific powers do fairies have? I thought I read somewhere that mind reading wasn’t actually a fairy power, and indicated that Sookie was more than just a fairy. If you’re sure you don’t mind being spoiled… (spoilers for 2 short stories post-book 4, books 5-8, and a story set between books 8 & 9) [spoiler]You’re right, being a mind-reader isn’t a fairy power, but it’s something that a few of the mostly-human members of Sookie’s family can do. They introduce another mind reader she had no idea existed in book eight, Hunter, a four-year-old first cousin once removed. At least one of the fairies remarks that they’re not sure why Sookie and Hunter can read minds, since it isn’t one of their gifts. Anyway, fairies attract vampires and other supernatural beings, but especially vamps - Eric refers to them as “vampire catnip” because they make vamps very happy when they’re around. It doesn’t work out well for the poor fairies, though… Actually, they attract humans too, which is the only fairy “power” that Jason has ever displayed. - Besides being very sexually appealing to others, fairies are immune to the glamors of both vamps and maenads - though you know from last season the show took liberties with that regarding Jason. - From a story post-book 8 it’s clear that some fairies can also change their appearances, not just make people believe things, and Sookie is _not_ able to see through that any more than other people. - Some fairies are also able to key in on people they care about, and quite literally act as their fairy godparent to save them from danger. Only one of the many fairies in the series has this gift, though, just as not all vampires can fly etc. - Faries can travel between here in the mundane world, and where they came from. Some chose to live here, but most would rather be away from us. Considering how the vampires react to them, it’s hard to blame them. Luckily for Sookie and Jason, they didn’t inherit the two fairy weaknesses that can kill them - iron and lemon juice. The fairy who tried to talk Sookie into going with her lost a triplet sister to lemon juice. The faries play a big role after book 8 too, but the powers are pretty much established by book 8.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859/52 "2010-08-03T21:22:18Z")
Okay, now I’m just being a big ol fangirl, but here is the quote: [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1372643/quotes?qt0946038](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1372643/quotes?qt0946038) > [@](#): > > Bill Compton: Why this allegiance to Godric? > Eric Northman: He is much beloved by his subjects. > Bill Compton: Only kings and queens have subjects Eric. Not Sheriffs. > Eric Northman: Godric could have been king of Texas had he wanted. He could have been king of any vampire territory anywhere. He is twice as old as I am and very powerful. There are none above him in the new world. > Bill Compton: Well if he’s so powerful, how could they abduct him? > Eric Northman: Now that is what worries me. If one such as he can ben taken by humans, then none of us are safe. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859/53 "2010-08-03T21:57:38Z")
That quote implies that no vampire in the new world is more powerful than Godric. And given that Eric is about 1,000 years old, it establishes Godric as 2,000 years old. I think it’s a continuity error now that we’re hearing how old Russell is. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859/54 "2010-08-03T22:05:31Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > That quote implies that no vampire in the new world is more powerful than Godric. And given that Eric is about 1,000 years old, it establishes Godric as 2,000 years old. I think it’s a continuity error now that we’re hearing how old Russell is. “None above him” imples that there’s no one with more power, not that there’s no one older. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859/55 "2010-08-03T22:19:51Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > > > That quote implies that no vampire in the new world is more powerful than Godric. And given that Eric is about 1,000 years old, it establishes Godric as 2,000 years old. I think it’s a continuity error now that we’re hearing how old Russell is. > > “None above him” imples that there’s no one with more power, not that there’s no one older. Isn’t it true that a vampires power/strength is directly proportional to their age or is that only one of the factors? ---
**Author:** ![tr0psn4j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@tr0psn4j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tr0psn4j)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859/56 "2010-08-03T23:28:44Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > > [@elfkin477](#): > > > > “None above him” imples that there’s no one with more power, not that there’s no one older. > > Isn’t it true that a vampires power/strength is directly proportional to their age or is that only one of the factors? They talk as if it is. I’ve always wondered if that’s true though. would a 3000 year old vamp in the body of a toddler really be as strong as a 2000 year old adult? ---
**Author:** ![lisacurl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/41988e/32.png) [@lisacurl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisacurl)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859/57 "2010-08-03T23:36:17Z")
> [@slagathor](#): > > > [@John\_Mace](#): > > > > Good episode. But am I the only one who thinks The Queen is the worst actor of the bunch? Put her next to Russel, and the contrast is crazy. > > I’m with ya..she’s not very good. She reminds me of a lot of child actors..they overact, terribly. Well, she \*was \*a child actor. [Evan Rachel Wood - IMDb](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0939697/) ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859/58 "2010-08-04T01:31:53Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > > [@elfkin477](#): > > > > “None above him” imples that there’s no one with more power, not that there’s no one older. > > Isn’t it true that a vampires power/strength is directly proportional to their age or is that only one of the factors? It also keys in on the power that is given them by the others- reference Russel’s continued fight against the “othorities” and his comments about the magister - “only because we let them” - so, wether Godrick was more physically poweful we won’t know - but clearly there is more to it than just age. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859/59 "2010-08-04T01:52:56Z")
They’re clear that vamps get more powerful as they get older. But that doesn’t necessarily translate into a direct correlation of age and power. Godric was something even when he was human, so even at a year old, he would have been more powerful than, say, Eddie Gauthier was. (An extreme example, as Eddie’s kind of incompetent even as newbies go.) Similarly, if Eddie had somehow managed to live to be 2000 years old, he still wouldn’t have been as powerful as Godric was when he ended. Hell, if he’d managed to make it to 2000, he still might not even have been a match for 1000 year old Eric. (Ignoring, of course, the fact that Eric would be 3000 at this point, of course.) ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859/60 "2010-08-04T01:55:03Z")
When Bill was barely smoking in the sunlight I remembered a continuity error from the first couple seasons. At the end of season 1, Bill charged out into daylight to save Sookie in the graveyard, eventually collapsing in a smouldering heap. Much time passed before they got him buried, and the takeaway seemd to be that sunlight is not fatal to vampires. I think Bill even commented about it afterward, about how his life was never in danger, it just hurt a lot. Then in season 2, Godric, the 2000 year old vampire, committed suicide by subjecting himself to direct sunlight for, oh, around 90 seconds. Huh? OTOH, one nice touch of continuity I thought they were going for was when Bill was passed out after killing Lorena. I thought this was a nod to what we learned in season 2 in the hotel room, how vampires can’t stay awake when the sun rises; they pass out cold and can’t be revived. Not sure if that’s what they were going for, but I hope so. The alternative is that he went directly from actively fighting his healthy maker to coma. If so, that was pretty abrupt. Evan Rachel Wood is terrible in True Blood but has been excellent in other things. True Blood for her is like Star Wars for Natalie Portman. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-bath-3-7-hitting-the-ground-open-spoilers/548859.md?page=4)