# True Blood, Episode 4.3:"If you Love me, Why am I Dying?' Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 11, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583 "2011-07-11T03:06:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583/21 "2011-07-12T00:39:26Z")
How many different plotlines where there in this episode? Sookie still has to deal with her fairy-family, Hoyt and Jessica are fighting, Bill has a new love interest, the shapeshifter kid is trying to swindle Hoyt’s mom, the “main” plot with the witch and Eric’s lost memory, Andy is an addict and then there’s were-panthers. And the creepy doll/evil baby, maybe. So thats: 8 unrelated plot lines in a 50 minute episode? Not exactly the poster child for tight writing. The writers must’ve spent the shows fairly long hiatus thinking of plotlines, and then when it came time to start filming, decided to just film them all. ---
**Author:** ![PandaBear77](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@PandaBear77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PandaBear77)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583/22 "2011-07-12T00:45:54Z")
Bill’s nailing Portia?!!! She’s his great-great-great granddaughter! Gross, Bill! ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583/23 "2011-07-12T00:51:41Z")
Doesn’t Bill know that??? (He was all an example of Living History to the Ladies Historical Society in past seasons, getting them all teary about the Civil War and seemed to know each soldier from Bon Temps personally.) In one of the books he knew the Bellefleurs were descendents. Not that that has anything to do with the tv show. ---
**Author:** ![Batsinma\_Belfry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea5d25/32.png) [@Batsinma\_Belfry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batsinma_Belfry)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583/24 "2011-07-12T05:36:02Z")
> [@PandaBear77](#): > > Bill’s nailing Portia?!!! > > She’s his great-great-great granddaughter! > > Gross, Bill! Do we know that for sure? I was under the impression that Portia (and Andy) are descendants of Bill’s wife. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583/25 "2011-07-12T06:57:28Z")
If I had a baby and somebody gave it an ugly, dirty creepy ass doll my only debate would be “Do I throw it out now or be polite and wait til the second she’s left?” ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583/26 "2011-07-12T06:59:21Z")
> [@PandaBear77](#): > > Bill’s nailing Portia?!!! > > She’s his great-great-great granddaughter! > > Gross, Bill! I figure that’s a realization he’ll make some time in the series. Of course somebody like Eric, who definitely shagged many women when he was mortal, would just have to accept as a possibility any woman he shags could be his descendant. In a thousand years you could conceivably have millions of descendants of every conceivable ethnicity. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583/27 "2011-07-12T13:09:07Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I figure that’s a realization he’ll make some time in the series. > > Of course somebody like Eric, who definitely shagged many women when he was mortal, would just have to accept as a possibility any woman he shags could be his descendant. In a thousand years you could conceivably have millions of descendants of every conceivable ethnicity. That’s hot. ---
**Author:** ![Pocito](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f04885/32.png) [@Pocito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pocito)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583/28 "2011-07-12T14:38:02Z")
To be fair, there’s really no chance of procreation. So the only thing holding them back is the ick factor, and I’m not really sure what a vampire’s threshold for ick is. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583/29 "2011-07-12T14:43:15Z")
She’s no more related to him than she would be to her 4th cousin. I’m not getting the ick factor. ---
**Author:** ![Pocito](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f04885/32.png) [@Pocito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pocito)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583/30 "2011-07-12T14:58:15Z")
The ick factor would just be a person’s (vampire’s) prejudice against sexual relations with relations. I doubt Bill would be bothered, but Portia might give pause before having sex with Great-Great-Great Granddaddy. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583/31 "2011-07-12T16:47:20Z")
In the series, didn’t both of Bill’s kids die? ---
**Author:** ![filling\_pages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@filling\_pages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filling_pages)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583/32 "2011-07-12T16:57:19Z")
I’m loving this season. I mean, come on. The best thing about this show is the over the top cheesiness. Too many plot lines? Too many supernatural critters? Too much drama and sex and bad attempts at southern accents? Hell no, I say, bring it on. Next stop, mermaids! (Then again, I have no plans to read the books, so I don’t have the same/different problem.) ---
**Author:** ![Cowboy8467](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5e925/32.png) [@Cowboy8467](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cowboy8467)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583/33 "2011-07-12T17:04:50Z")
> [@OpalCat](#): > > In the series, didn’t both of Bill’s kids die? For that matter, Debbie Pelt is killed in the series, with non of this redemption crap, so clearly they’re going in a different direction on the TV show. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583/34 "2011-07-12T17:30:36Z")
> [@Pocito](#): > > The ick factor would just be a person’s (vampire’s) prejudice against sexual relations with relations. > > I doubt Bill would be bothered, but Portia might give pause before having sex with Great-Great-Great Granddaddy. I imagine once you overcome the ick factor of _fucking the animated dead_, cousin humping is not a big deal. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583/35 "2011-07-12T17:52:26Z")
> [@OpalCat](#): > > In the series, didn’t both of Bill’s kids die? No. On the show one of his two children dies, but the other lived to have her own family. In the books he had three children, all of whom lived to adulthood, one of whom had a child directly related to Andy and Portia, and was a distant aunt to Terry (Andy and Terry being cousins has never been mentioned on the show, has it?). **Cowboy8467** , redemption crap aside, Debbie is alive in the books during the timeframe the episodes on TV have\* thus far\* shown. she doesn’t die until the very end of the book this season is loosely based on If we want to complain about killing people out of sequence, we can go with Claudine, Calvin, Sophie Anne & Stan the vampire…that’s three future plotlines mucked with right there. Sampiro, if someone tried to give my baby that thing, I’d suddenly develop **very** strong feelings about little boys not playing with dolls. And I can’t believe Jessica Willow’d Hoyt! ---
**Author:** ![filling\_pages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@filling\_pages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filling_pages)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583/36 "2011-07-12T18:18:37Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > No. On the show one of his two children dies, but the other lived to have her own family. In the books he had three children, all of whom lived to adulthood, one of whom had a child directly related to Andy and Portia, and was a distant aunt to Terry (Andy and Terry being cousins has never been mentioned on the show, has it?). I think that was made clear in the first season. They even go fishing together (and catch sight of Sam running naked through the swamp). ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583/37 "2011-07-12T19:26:43Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > \ and Jason being gang raped was just as sick as if it had been happening to a woman.\. This bothered me as well. A) Because it was sick and twisted and disturbing (and logistically dubious – how is a getting-raped guy supposed to be able to keep it up and go over and over again for each of those women? I know we’re talking about Jason, but seriously…?) And B) in the books Jason and Crystal were madly in love, there was nobody else involved and they made a baby by accident. Twisting the relationship in that way bothered me. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583/38 "2011-07-12T20:07:48Z")
> [@Dogzilla](#): > > This bothered me as well. A) Because it was sick and twisted and disturbing (and logistically dubious – how is a getting-raped guy supposed to be able to keep it up and go over and over again for each of those women? I know we’re talking about Jason, but seriously…?) Not to mention the logic-fail of wanting to diversify the genepool with one new guy. That’s not terribly helpful, you’d need lots of guys to have much positive effect on that score. ---
**Author:** ![filling\_pages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@filling\_pages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filling_pages)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583/39 "2011-07-12T20:12:47Z")
> [@Dogzilla](#): > > This bothered me as well. A) Because it was sick and twisted and disturbing (and logistically dubious – how is a getting-raped guy supposed to be able to keep it up and go over and over again for each of those women? I know we’re talking about Jason, but seriously…?) I think that was the point of the Mexican viagra she had him take. And yes, completely effed up situation. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583/40 "2011-07-12T20:18:06Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > Not to mention the logic-fail of wanting to diversify the genepool with one new guy. That’s not terribly helpful, you’d need lots of guys to have much positive effect on that score. I assume that you realize that it’s a bit hopeless to be talking about logic with the Hotshot crowd? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-episode-4-3-if-you-love-me-why-am-i-dying-spoilers/588583.md?page=3)