# True Blood: "Never Let Me Go" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 20, 2009, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593 "2009-07-20T05:18:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![CrazyCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CrazyCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrazyCatLady)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593/21 "2009-07-21T00:47:36Z")
> [@Xan](#): > > She isn’t a minotaur. She’s a shapeshifter like Sam. Yes I’m aware she had scars similar to the ones Sookie got when she was attacked. But those scars could have been acquired any number of ways. Yes, I’m aware she’s a shifter, what with the whole turning into a deer thing and all. But it seemed shorter and easier than referring to her as “that shifter waitress with the big minotaur-esque scars all over her back.” 😉 **Ruffian** , I’m not sure Sam has seen them. _We’ve_ seen them plenty, but all the shots I can think of when they’ve shown those scars, she’s been facing Sam. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593/22 "2009-07-21T02:00:57Z")
The only scene that woke me out of a light snooze last night was the one with Eric and Godric ! Holy Moly!:eek: THAT was interesting! Godric must be some real badass to be so ‘young’ yet 2000 years later, so powerful! He was a Celt or a Pict living somewhere up the Danube when he met up with Viking Eric , judging by the tribal tattooes. I can’t wait to see modern-day Godric. And as for preacher/hot pants wife, I thought they were just working as a team on dumb-as-dirt Jason to get him to head up their Army. Her breathless flirting with Jason always struck me as over the top phony, notice she technically did not commit adultery with him. ---
**Author:** ![ChadVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ba0ec/32.png) [@ChadVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChadVader)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593/23 "2009-07-21T15:11:44Z")
Ok, sorry if this has been asked in a previous thread, but what the hell is the deal with the picture of Gran and young Sookie & Tara? I mean, it’s either one of the worst photoshops of all time, or it was done intentionally bad for comedic effect. It’s like something you’d see in _Scary Movie_… Is this show supposed to be a comedy and I’m just now finding out? ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593/24 "2009-07-21T15:55:22Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > And as for preacher/hot pants wife, I thought they were just working as a team on dumb-as-dirt Jason to get him to head up their Army. Her breathless flirting with Jason always struck me as over the top phony, notice she technically did not commit adultery with him. This was my impression as well. It has seemed more intentionally manipulative to get the dumb-jock to do their bidding. That said, the character/actress just drips sex, sex, sex all over the place. The bathtub and bedroom (in the white satin nighty) scenes had me feeling warm all over! MeanJoe ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593/25 "2009-07-21T16:53:21Z")
I wonder if the waitress-shapeshifter could be MaryAnn’s pig? I, too, am ready for something to happen in the Tara/MaryAnn story. Why is MaryAnn so interested in her? What is Egg’s deal? What exactly is MaryAnn? ---
**Author:** ![xanthous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/53a042/32.png) [@xanthous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xanthous)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593/26 "2009-07-21T17:59:13Z")
> [@ChadVader](#): > > Ok, sorry if this has been asked in a previous thread, but what the hell is the deal with the picture of Gran and young Sookie & Tara? I mean, it’s either one of the worst photoshops of all time, or it was done intentionally bad for comedic effect. It’s like something you’d see in _Scary Movie_… Is this show supposed to be a comedy and I’m just now finding out? A-GREED! THE worst! I mean, that actress couldn’t have found a pic of herself when she was younger and have somebody photoshop her face into that picture? They do it in movies all the time! ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593/27 "2009-07-21T18:21:35Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > I wonder if the waitress-shapeshifter could be MaryAnn’s pig? > > I, too, am ready for something to happen in the Tara/MaryAnn story. Why is MaryAnn so interested in her? What is Egg’s deal? What exactly is MaryAnn? I think the Pig is Carlo or whatever her cook’s name is. ---
**Author:** ![Ruffian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71e660/32.png) [@Ruffian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruffian)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593/28 "2009-07-21T19:43:43Z")
My first thought was maybe the pig was Eggs. As in…Ham n’ Eggs. Har har! Oh, that’d be so clever of them. :::wipes tear::: Thanks to several Dopers who’ve read the books and shared in previous threads, I’m pretty sure I know what Maryann is. Now, what her deal is beyond causing mischief and getting off on it… \I’m WAITING!\ **CrazyCatLady** , I got the impression that Sam saw the claw mark scars quite clearly when she got out of the lake after their shape-shifting-skinny-dip. I seem to recall (perhaps falsely) that Sam even had a nonverbal, but noticeable, reaction to seeing them. I took that to suggest Sam realized whatshername was somehow associated with Maryann and he’d know, as we do, something is Not Good Here. Obviously, that’s not the case. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593/29 "2009-07-21T20:01:37Z")
> [@Ruffian](#): > > I got the impression that Sam saw the claw mark scars quite clearly when she got out of the lake after their shape-shifting-skinny-dip. I seem to recall (perhaps falsely) that Sam even had a nonverbal, but noticeable, reaction to seeing them. I took that to suggest Sam realized whatshername was somehow associated with Maryann and he’d know, as we do, something is Not Good Here. That was my impression as well, and seeing as how Sam was scared as hell of MaryAnn, it’s puzzling that he would fool around with the waitress if he knew she was connected to MaryAnn. It makes me wonder just how much Sam does know about MaryAnn. Oh, and it was fun seeing the actor who played Nathan Stark on Eureka as one of the Texas vampires. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593/30 "2009-07-21T20:26:58Z")
Even if Sam didn’t see the claw marks, he should have felt them when they were cuddling. Maybe he’s just too much of a gentleman to remark on them. Didn’t the woman who healed Sookie say that the claw marks made some kind of connection between the minotaur and the clawed person? Like “It will always be able to find you” – something like that. Because I keep waiting for the minotaur to show up when Sam and Daphne are together. Maybe that’ll be part of the finale, Sam fighting the minotaur. Are we agreed that MaryAnn shapeshifted to the minotaur and attacked Sookie? Or is the minotaur another critter entirely and MaryAnn just calls it up? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593/31 "2009-07-21T20:36:13Z")
When Sam first encountered MaryAnn - he ran away scared as hell - he was still a teenager at that time (16ish?) - he has no clue what Maryann is or can do - only that she had powers (and apparently vibrates in bed) - He’s basically scared shitless. His only thought right now - is to avoid her at all costs - but he’s mostly protecting his secret more than anything else at this point - he’s still a scared teenager when she’s around. ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593/32 "2009-07-21T21:06:12Z")
I’m confused. When did we, the Dopers, decide that the critter in question is for sure a minotaur and what happened to the maenad? Did I miss a memo or something? ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593/33 "2009-07-21T21:38:11Z")
I have been assuming in these threads that MaryAnn is the Maenad, and the creature she morphs into is the Minotaur. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593/34 "2009-07-21T21:39:59Z")
Sam without a doubt saw the claw marks. He just hasn’t asked her about them yet. ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593/35 "2009-07-21T21:46:34Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Are we agreed that MaryAnn shapeshifted to the minotaur and attacked Sookie? Or is the minotaur another critter entirely and MaryAnn just calls it up? During the big orgy, we saw her hands transform into the minotaur hands, so I think that’s fairly definitive. **Dogzilla** , I think we’re just calling it “minotaur” because it’s a biped with a bull’s head, not necessarily bringing in the myth of Theseus or anthing. Another “hell yeah” here about that picture. It is the most godawful photoshop ever, which is particularly sad in the middle of an effects-heavy show that’s normally pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593/36 "2009-07-22T00:25:38Z")
Hmm… Maybe I don’t know what a Minotaur is. :: Runs back to Wikipedia to read Minotaur page. Again. :: ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593/37 "2009-07-22T01:59:41Z")
> [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > During the big orgy, we saw her hands transform into the minotaur hands, so I think that’s fairly definitive. > > **Dogzilla** , I think we’re just calling it “minotaur” because it’s a biped with a bull’s head, not necessarily bringing in the myth of Theseus or anthing. > > Another “hell yeah” here about that picture. It is the most godawful photoshop ever, which is particularly sad in the middle of an effects-heavy show that’s normally pretty good. Yeah the grandmother looks fucking creepy in that pic. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593/38 "2009-07-22T02:11:42Z")
> [@xanthous](#): > > What about Bill’s maker sashaying down the hallway at the end?? I can’t wait to see what happens with that—obviously she’s not going to be happy that Bill’s in love with a human! > > I hope Lafayette gets back to his old self at some point—I don’t like morose Lafayette! I’ve gotten the sense over the last couple of episodes that they’re pulling stuff from books 2 _and_ 3 for this season, and the final scene in this episode clinches it. Bad things are going to happen to Bill soon. Good. Hey, can someone who has read the first few books help me remember something? Who was the human who goes with Sookie to the Fellowship of The Sun since the vampires can’t? I know it wasn’t Alcide, but we might meet him sooner than later if I’m correct about book 3 being part of this season too. ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593/39 "2009-07-22T02:16:47Z")
Elfkin, I popped the book open right on the human companion’s name: Hugo Ayres. He’s With Isabel. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593/40 "2009-07-22T09:05:30Z")
I’m curious how everyone feels about the portryal of the church. Obviously they’re supposed to represent hate groups of the past - similar in a lot of ways to the KKK or current religious-based gaybashers. But we’re not talking about a harmless, oppressed group. We’re talking about a group of people with supernatural powers who have, until very recently killed humans to live. The only good one we’ve seen so far for sure is Bill - he’s renounced killing humans now that he doesn’t have to. The rest of the ones we’ve seen seem to be willing to kill without a second thought. Vampires are absolutely a clear and present threat to humans. So it doesn’t ring true that we’re supposed to think of the evil religious zealots trying to oppress the poor minority of vampires - more people should be very concerned about them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-blood-never-let-me-go-open-spoilers/503593.md?page=3)