# True Detective - HBO - McConaughey / Harrelson \[SPOILERS\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 11, 2013, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697 "2013-06-11T03:43:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697/301 "2014-02-26T21:46:56Z")
Okay, this is cool, did someone post these already? If not, compare and contrast: [![Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/cvRO1FF.png "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/cvRO1FF) [[Album] Flowers ![](https://i.imgur.com/NxIPUFe.png?fb "Flowers") ](https://imgur.com/a/l0Z01) ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697/302 "2014-02-26T21:55:40Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Okay, this is cool, did someone post these already? If not, compare and contrast: > > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://imgur.com/cvRO1FF) > [Flowers - Album on Imgur](http://imgur.com/a/l0Z01) OK, yeah, that _is_ weird. Could be an overworked production designer recycling a nice pattern, or else it could be… I don’t know. Something. ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697/303 "2014-02-26T22:07:52Z")
Hmm. “Who painted the mural on the church wall?” “Children of our congregation.” Did the (proper) church mural have tulips, too? ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697/304 "2014-02-26T22:16:16Z")
> [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > Hmm. > > “Who painted the mural on the church wall?” > “Children of our congregation.” > > Did the (proper) church mural have tulips, too? I like that! But I’m not seeing it… [![](https://i.imgur.com/6oJmRH2.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/6oJmRH2.jpg) Weird stuff on the lower left though. Is that the same circle as on the tree? ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697/305 "2014-02-26T22:21:17Z")
Yeah, that manger looks just like the wreath on the murder tree! ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697/306 "2014-02-26T22:37:34Z")
I think Rust is also displeased with Marty because he’s cheating on Maggie again. If I remember the timeline correctly, someone in the office commented to Marty that he was wearing the same clothes again, and Rust overheard. Then Rust told Marty to type the confession. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697/307 "2014-02-27T00:11:39Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Okay, this is cool, did someone post these already? If not, compare and contrast: > > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://imgur.com/cvRO1FF) > [Flowers - Album on Imgur](http://imgur.com/a/l0Z01) If it’s anything, I bet it comes back to Marty’s older daughter having someone in her life that’s connected to his conspiracy. I also like the idea that the antler murders are being done by someone who’s gone rogue from the secretive cult. They’re attracting attention - perhaps purposely. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697/308 "2014-02-27T00:24:53Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > If it’s anything, I bet it comes back to Marty’s older daughter having someone in her life that’s connected to his conspiracy. It’s too much coincidence at this point to be anything else. One theory a friend suggested is that kids abused by the cult end up at that hospital, and perhaps Marty’s father-in-law has a connection to putting them there. Do they ever say what he does for a living? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697/309 "2014-02-27T00:56:45Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Okay, this is cool, did someone post these already? If not, compare and contrast: > > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://imgur.com/cvRO1FF) > [Flowers - Album on Imgur](http://imgur.com/a/l0Z01) What am I supposed to notice? ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697/310 "2014-02-27T01:24:19Z")
> [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > I was thinking about faces and masks. The “green-eared spaghetti monster” certainly indicates to me a mask of some kind. When Rust asks the LeDoux survivor if the additional assailant had scars on his face, she freaks out, yelling “His face, his face!” So I was thinking, “All right, this guy wears a freaky mask of some kind,” only of course, the reason they were asking about scars is that the girls at the revival tent saw Dora talking to a “tall man with kind of a strange face, skin shiny around his jaw, like burned.” > > And of course in his preaching, Theriot says, “The face you wear is not your own.” > > So I’m going back and forth - is the guy wearing a mask, or is his actual face messed up? > > Then it struck me - this is straight out of _The King in Yellow_ - > > Now, realistically, it could be that there’s a scarred man who also wears a mask at times, or even that repeated wearing of the mask has scarred his face. But I enjoy the callback to the play once again. > > Oh, and if anyone is interested, the fellows at the H.P. Lovecraft Literary Podcast have made their [shows covering The King in Yellow](http://hppodcraft.com/2012/08/08/episode-121-the-repairer-of-reputations-part-1/) (link is to episdoe 121; 121-123 cover _The King in Yellow_) available for free. I love the show - they do a good job of recapping and analyzing, and also tend to be very funny. They have really good readers reading excerpts as well. Thank-you. I wrote a shorter post on this yesterday, but it came under the influence of the Yellow Sign and I didn’t feel like typing it up again. The scarred face/pallid mask connection is significant. I’m doubtful that the spaghetti face and green ears thing is important. It hasn’t been reiterated like the facial scars. The show has kept things pretty well confined to the King in Yellow and Carcosa as far as weird fiction is concerned, so it would shock me if they suddenly dropped a Cthulhu reference or some of the other ideas out there related to the spaghetti face. > [@Acsenray](#): > > What am I supposed to notice? The paintings of tulips. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697/311 "2014-02-27T01:25:52Z")
Anyone get a screen shot or close-up of the book the girl was reading in the hospital? ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697/312 "2014-02-27T02:00:17Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Anyone get a screen shot or close-up of the book the girl was reading in the hospital? It’s The Pioneer. I though at first that might be Fenimore Cooper, but that’s Pioneers plural. [![](https://i.imgur.com/LXMnxgK.png) ](https://i.imgur.com/LXMnxgK.png) ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697/313 "2014-02-27T03:12:37Z")
One thing I like about this picture is that it looks like everybody has been Photoshopped into it. [http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/.QIr.7WIdEcDLhHuXNDULQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/tv/2014-02-20/f7a3b590-9a71-11e3-afa3-f9190e588d51\_crime-scene-pic.png](http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/.QIr.7WIdEcDLhHuXNDULQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/tv/2014-02-20/f7a3b590-9a71-11e3-afa3-f9190e588d51_crime-scene-pic.png) ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697/314 "2014-02-27T03:23:11Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > One thing I like about this picture is that it looks like everybody has been Photoshopped into it. > > [http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/.QIr.7WIdEcDLhHuXNDULQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/tv/2014-02-20/f7a3b590-9a71-11e3-afa3-f9190e588d51\_crime-scene-pic.png](http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/.QIr.7WIdEcDLhHuXNDULQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/tv/2014-02-20/f7a3b590-9a71-11e3-afa3-f9190e588d51_crime-scene-pic.png) Ha! You’re right. I thought McC looked a bit like Lee Van Cleef in that photo. It’s an odd angle. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697/315 "2014-02-27T03:39:32Z")
Rust looks like he should be drinking southern comfort. ---
**Author:** ![Section\_Maker\_Jupe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/section_maker_jupe/32/1424_2.png) [@Section\_Maker\_Jupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Section_Maker_Jupe)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697/316 "2014-02-27T04:21:09Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > One thing I like about this picture is that it looks like everybody has been Photoshopped into it. > > [http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/.QIr.7WIdEcDLhHuXNDULQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/tv/2014-02-20/f7a3b590-9a71-11e3-afa3-f9190e588d51\_crime-scene-pic.png](http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/.QIr.7WIdEcDLhHuXNDULQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/tv/2014-02-20/f7a3b590-9a71-11e3-afa3-f9190e588d51_crime-scene-pic.png) I agree, I thought it looked funny during my viewing, but can only watch in realtime…the link you posted makes it even more apparent…perhaps a frameup, from the authorites…trying to tie Rust in…(although Rust didnt deny being there in the interview with the detectives…), still…not much seems to be left to chance in this show. I visited Reddit for the first time, following some links on True Detectives. That place sure is busy!! ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697/317 "2014-02-27T04:48:13Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Marty’s father-in-law […] Do they ever say what he does for a living? A cop, or possibly higher up in the police force. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697/318 "2014-02-27T04:58:50Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > A cop, or possibly higher up in the police force. Where did we hear this? I’ve only watched twice, don’t remember Marty’s FIL’s profession being mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697/319 "2014-02-27T07:01:00Z")
I remember it from the episode when we see his FIL, possibly via narration during the scene where the FIL is asking about the case and complaining about Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697/320 "2014-02-27T11:23:25Z")
I also keep forgetting Lawnmower Guy as I theorize. My suspicion is that he’s the actual killer; similar to LeDoux he played a role in the conspiracy, but where LeDoux fixated on little kids, Lawnmower Guy ritualistically killed adult women. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-hbo-mcconaughey-harrelson-spoilers/660697.md?page=17)