# True Detective: Season Two .How is it **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 21, 2015, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095 "2015-06-21T20:57:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/221 "2015-08-04T16:33:37Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I don’t understand why it’s assumed at this point that Caspere’s murderers are the two children (now adults). I get that they have motive, but where’s the proof? Am I missing something? It’s funny, I feel like I’ve followed the plot pretty well watching the show, but this is a leap I didn’t make. Even if it were clear from the picture that it’s really Laura, I don’t see how they made that cognitive jump. > [@EllisDee](#): > > Thanks much for the linked article, that helps a lot. I think I absorbed it all, but I’m left still scratching my head regarding the question from the previous page: > > Is this answered by that article? More or less. Frank never owned that land; instead, he colluded with the land’s owners to pollute the land with his company’s waste (lowering its value), in return for getting to buy some of it at a low price, in anticipation of the rail deal jacking up the price. Make sense? ---
**Author:** ![koeeoaddi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/koeeoaddi/32/408_2.png) [@koeeoaddi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/koeeoaddi)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/222 "2015-08-04T16:34:33Z")
> [@\*\*hajario\*\*](#): > > Great article in Slate that will answer all of your questions. > > [True Detective Season 2: A guide to the plot of this confusing season.](http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/08/03/true_detective_season_two_a_guide_to_the_plot_of_this_confusing_season.html) Thanks for that, **hajario**! Each week I throw up my hands in exasperation and the next I find myself watching the thing. I guess that means it’s compelling on some level, but what a RIDICULOUSLY convoluted plot. They left out the black oil, the Indian casino, the key to Rebecca and the Necronomicon. ---
**Author:** ![MegaNazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/858c86/32.png) [@MegaNazz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MegaNazz)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/223 "2015-08-04T16:40:15Z")
As much as I enjoy this season, I’ll admit that guide definitely helped to clarify a lot of points. I didn’t catch why it was so crucial for the conspiracy to do what they did with Woodrugh. I just assumed it was sort of a general reaction. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/224 "2015-08-04T16:43:10Z")
I’ve watched every damned episode twice, just trying to follow what the hell’s going on. If it wasn’t for this thread, confirming that nearly everyone is confused, I probably would’ve thought it was just me. I know I felt pretty stupid at first. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/225 "2015-08-04T16:47:09Z")
That Slate article answered a lot of questions I didn’t even realize I had. > [@Accidental\_Martyr](#): > > How the hell did the guy know Paul was going to come out of that door after escaping from the guys in the tunnel? It’s HBO. Surely they have people to tell the actors where to stand. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/226 "2015-08-04T18:24:40Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > The guy waiting at the door for Paul was too much for me. Hollaway told Paul that those tunnels run all over the place. Paul then climbs a ladder (and I would assume Hollaway didn’t come down that ladder - why would he when there are steps?) and stumbles out the very door where his killer was waiting, gun in hand? The killer then jumps in a car and speeds off not going to check what happened to Hollaway and the rest of the crew? This bothered me too. I didn’t think it was the door that they entered in the first place. It wasn’t covered in the otherwise excellent Slate article. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/227 "2015-08-05T16:31:33Z")
I hope that article is wrong about Vince Vaughn’s wife. She is the best, hottest gangster wife. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/228 "2015-08-05T16:38:35Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > I hope that article is wrong about Vince Vaughn’s wife. She is the best, hottest gangster wife. Well, she _ **does** _ have red hair; maybe she’s the rape-baby’s father. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/229 "2015-08-05T16:44:27Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > Well, she _ **does** _ have red hair; maybe she’s the rape-baby’s father. Obviously this was before the surgery. She did tell him that she can’t have babies. She blamed it on previous abortions, but that could be a lie. Nah, that would be too stupid. ---
**Author:** ![MegaNazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/858c86/32.png) [@MegaNazz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MegaNazz)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/230 "2015-08-05T17:13:43Z")
I wonder if Slate will need to update their article after Sunday’s finale to give even more clarification or if the ending will just tie things up. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/231 "2015-08-05T17:55:37Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Obviously this was before the surgery. She did tell him that she can’t have babies. She blamed it on previous abortions, but that could be a lie. > > Nah, that would be too stupid. The more I think about this… The kid is anomalously a red head. She’s a red head. They’ve been beating us over the head with the Semyon’s child difficulties, something seemingly unrelated to the overall plot. Then she suddenly tells him that she can’t have children, probably because of her claimed 3 abortions, which she never told him about until now. Why is any of this necessary to the plot? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/232 "2015-08-05T18:04:42Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > The more I think about this… > > The kid is anomalously a red head. She’s a red head. They’ve been beating us over the head with the Semyon’s child difficulties, something seemingly unrelated to the overall plot. Then she suddenly tells him that she can’t have children, probably because of her claimed 3 abortions, which she never told him about until now. > > Why is any of this necessary to the plot? Also, there’s the psychiatrist who also happens to be a surgeon. Why add that fact? Because he “makes 8s into 10s”? Why is that important to the plot? ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/233 "2015-08-05T18:55:04Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > The more I think about this… > > The kid is anomalously a red head. She’s a red head. They’ve been beating us over the head with the Semyon’s child difficulties, something seemingly unrelated to the overall plot. Then she suddenly tells him that she can’t have children, probably because of her claimed 3 abortions, which she never told him about until now. > > Why is any of this necessary to the plot? It’s True Detective. It doesn’t have to be necessary to the plot. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/234 "2015-08-05T19:29:50Z")
True, but it makes me wonder. Semyon would have to be pretty clueless to not realize he was married to a transexual but then again, it is True Detective. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/235 "2015-08-05T19:30:54Z")
True, but it makes me wonder. Semyon would have to be pretty clueless to not realize he was married to a transexual but then again, it is True Detective. In general, seemingly meaningless plot points often lead to something at the end. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/236 "2015-08-05T19:39:45Z")
Oops ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/237 "2015-08-10T02:29:42Z")
Was the baby at the end Frank’s or Ray’s? ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/238 "2015-08-10T03:01:51Z")
It was Ray and Ani’s baby. Ani refers to Ray’s “sons”, plural. Definitely not the worst season finale I’ve seen, but it doesn’t make up for the 50% of the season that was mediocre and the 30% that was downright awful. I did like Frank’s last walk. That was by far the best acting out of Vince this season. ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/239 "2015-08-10T03:14:19Z")
Disappointing end to a disappointing season. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/240 "2015-08-10T04:47:26Z")
Some questions. Did Bezzirides and Mr’s Velcoro have any of the money or was it all in Frank’s diamonds and Ray’s sack? What long trip were they beginning? Were they not in Venezuela yet? I would think they were since it’s obviously been 9 months. Also, at the end as the two women were walking through the crowd it appeared that there was a man following them. Who was that? Was he someone sent to kill Bezzirides? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095.md?page=13)