# True Detective: Season Two .How is it **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 21, 2015, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095 "2015-06-21T20:57:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2015, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/121 "2015-07-01T22:14:39Z")
> [@MegaNazz](#): > > Sorry, davidm, I hate spoilers and it totally wasn’t my intention. I assumed since the trailer has been out there for a while and is content officially released by HBO that it is ok to discuss. I should also mention I don’t specifically remember that scene from the trailer so it could be BS anyway. Sorry, again…I’ve had huge things spoiled for me so I know it sucks. It really wasn’t my intention. Not a big deal. That’s why I said “sort of”. If it was in a trailer then I can’t expect to be protected from it. But the producers shouldn’t put such things in trailers. ---
**Author:** ![Doyle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doyle/32/439_2.png) [@Doyle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doyle)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/122 "2015-07-02T16:11:42Z")
Seems to me, the show is subtly going back and forth in time. Doesn’t he pay his lawyer to keep some custody of the child in the first episode, but doesn’t have his ex tell him that she is going for full custody until the second episode. We may have watched the near end of the series. ---
**Author:** ![MegaNazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/858c86/32.png) [@MegaNazz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MegaNazz)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/123 "2015-07-02T16:52:07Z")
For some reason, I thought in the first episode he was just seeking custody because he thought he could do a better job of raising his kid than his wife, though it seemed kind of like a move out of spite. I thought he was blind-sided in the 2nd episode by finding out she was thinking the same thing about him. But you’re right, they could be playing with the timeline. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/124 "2015-07-02T17:05:50Z")
> [@Section\_Maker\_Jupe](#): > > Anyone notice Rick Springfield?🆒 Had no clue that was him until the credits. ---
**Author:** ![Doyle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doyle/32/439_2.png) [@Doyle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doyle)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/125 "2015-07-02T17:09:41Z")
> [@MegaNazz](#): > > For some reason, I thought in the first episode he was just seeking custody because he thought he could do a better job of raising his kid than his wife, though it seemed kind of like a move out of spite. I thought he was blind-sided in the 2nd episode by finding out she was thinking the same thing about him. But you’re right, they could be playing with the timeline. I going to have to go back and take note of the clothes he was wearing in each scene. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/126 "2015-07-02T17:25:46Z")
> [@Section\_Maker\_Jupe](#): > > … > Anyone notice Rick Springfield?🆒 I didn’t. Who was he? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/127 "2015-07-02T17:39:14Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Speaking of that, what the whole point behind driving him around and then propping up his body at a picnic bench in the middle of nowhere? I assume it was a message, but to who? Unless I imagined it, it looked like he was leaning on The Maltese Falcon, partially unwrapped. :eek: And if you left the body in Vinci, the cover-up would be total. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/128 "2015-07-02T17:45:41Z")
I saw a bird statue, I can’t say if it was the Maltese Falcon. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/129 "2015-07-02T18:01:19Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I didn’t. Who was he? He was the therapist. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/130 "2015-07-02T18:18:33Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > I’d be grossly insulted if they have Farrell’s character surviving all that. > > As for the main mystery, did anybody notice that the same 80s(?) model Cadillac that was shown driving around Caspere’s corpse in episode 1 was parked outside the house in Hollywood where Ray got shot? Also, it seemed obvious that the guy in the bird mask who shot Ray was clearly waiting for him (or maybe somebody else like Frank) to show up. There was also that interesting bit of dialogue where the mayor of Vinci complained about his son being a coked-up weirdo. I realize it’s only two episodes in but has anybody developed any theories yet? Agreed. Particularly if they have the shooter trying to kill him. The idea of someone being shot and then the killer administering the coup de grace and Farrell still somehow surviving and the shooter not making sure he was dead would be beyond preposterous. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/131 "2015-07-02T19:28:15Z")
Here’s a question regarding Episode 1: When they were showing Caspere’s corpse being driven around in the Cadillac, did they also show the $4 million in the back seat with him? I thought there might’ve been a quick glimpse of it but I’m not sure. Maybe somebody who has a better memory of the episode can answer this. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2015, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/132 "2015-07-02T21:21:50Z")
Who was that guy who got pepper sprayed and beat after being rear ended and then got an implied warning from Semyon (Vince Vaughn)? ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2015, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/133 "2015-07-03T00:04:57Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > I’d be grossly insulted if they have Farrell’s character surviving all that. > > As for the main mystery, did anybody notice that the same 80s(?) model Cadillac that was shown driving around Caspere’s corpse in episode 1 was parked outside the house in Hollywood where Ray got shot? Also, it seemed obvious that the guy in the bird mask who shot Ray was clearly waiting for him (or maybe somebody else like Frank) to show up. Yes, I saw it. And when he was driving him around, the bird mask was next to him on the seat, wasn’t it? There was also an empty peg among the masks in the apartment, so I assume that’s where it came from. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2015, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/134 "2015-07-03T22:22:41Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Who was that guy who got pepper sprayed and beat after being rear ended and then got an implied warning from Semyon (Vince Vaughn)? He was the writer of a book that was going to expose the sweatshop conditions going on in Vinci’s factories. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2015, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/135 "2015-07-03T23:27:18Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > He was the writer of a book that was going to expose the sweatshop conditions going on in Vinci’s factories. I thought that was a different guy, younger. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2015, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/136 "2015-07-03T23:49:44Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > I thought that was a different guy, younger. There’s more than one guy doing this. There’s plenty of corruption in Vinci to go around. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2015, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/137 "2015-07-04T02:51:30Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > There’s more than one guy doing this. There’s plenty of corruption in Vinci to go around. I’m not recalling a scene that establishes this. I think it’s just some guy getting in Vince Vaughn’s way. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2015, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/138 "2015-07-05T11:53:08Z")
I turned the show off about 3/4 into the 2nd episode, when I realized that I cared more about the little red-headed kid than any of the leads. “Devil worshiping serial killer in Louisiana” is imminently more interesting than “corporate and government corruption.” Maybe the convoluted plot will pay off in a few weeks, but I don’t have the patience to stick with it, when I have better options available. Blame Netflix. While Colin Farrel was doing a decent job of recycling his tortured soul act (including the accent), and the other 2 leads were doing fine, Vince Vaughn just doesn’t have the acting chops to pull off his role. When he was recalling his abusive childhood, and talking about being in the dark with the rats, with the camera framing his face so tightly, I felt…nothing. And when he tried to intimidate the businessman who was getting in his way, I actually felt embarrassed for Vaughn because he was so badly miscast. I’ve seen actors who are a fraction of his size pull off “menacing” better than he did. (Jonathan Rhys-Meyers as King Henry VIII comes to mind.) It can’t be that I’ve only seen Vaughn in lighter roles, either, because both McConaughey and Harrelson would have suffered from the same bias. All I can say is that whatever aftertaste remained of Woody the sweet and insipid bartender disappeared after the first sentence out of Harrelson’s mouth in S1. I don’t think that the S2 story is helped by the constant stream of actors who had recurring roles on other shows…from Dr. Jack on St. Elsewhere (David Morse) to Dr. Noah Drake (Rick Springfield) to Don Draper’s girlfriend, Suzanne (Sally’s former teacher) (Abigail Spencer), to Dexter’s fellow blood splatter expert, Vince (C.S. Lee). It took me out of several scenes because my brain was trying to pinpoint where I’d seen that actor before. Ah well. Another show were the sophomore season couldn’t live up to the buzz of the freshman season. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2015, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/139 "2015-07-05T11:59:41Z")
Oh, and re the anal sex thing. That is the first thing I thought of when the couple was fighting about him being a tad freaked out by her sexual quirk. If it turned out to be something else, like bondage, then that would work, too, but anal sex was what I immediately thought of. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2015, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095/140 "2015-07-05T13:12:54Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > I turned the show off about 3/4 into the 2nd episode, when I realized that I cared more about the little red-headed kid than any of the leads. “Devil worshiping serial killer in Louisiana” is imminently more interesting than “corporate and government corruption.” Maybe the convoluted plot will pay off in a few weeks, but I don’t have the patience to stick with it, when I have better options available. Blame Netflix. Fair enough. City corruption is banal compared to backwoods cults, for sure. And I love Vince Vaughn but have to concede the point. This doesn’t appear to be a great fit for him. Maybe just check back in on the thread in a few weeks to see if it suddenly got awesome, and if so catch up with On Demand. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/true-detective-season-two-how-is-it/723095.md?page=8)