# Trump administration considered releasing illegal immigrants in sanctuary cities **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 12, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453 "2019-04-12T19:36:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![2ManyTacos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/3da27b/32.png) [@2ManyTacos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2ManyTacos)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453/81 "2019-04-13T17:00:02Z")
Eh, this is one of those issues where I am not necessarily opposed, even if, as another poster noted, the idea is being floated for, um, unsavory reasons. Although I’m as leftwing as they come on the bulk of all other issues, I am still relatively conservative on immigration policy. And yes, it is - ironic? I guess - that the opposition to this idea is mostly stemming from Democratic officials. To the extent that I see an issue with this sanctuary city release proposal, it’s that there doesn’t seem to be much consideration to the logistics behind doing this on a massive scale. I mean, is the administration just planning on dumping bus loads of illegal immigrants onto San Francisco street corners? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453/82 "2019-04-13T17:29:54Z")
Tacos, there was plenty of thought to the logistics. The intent is to have it be a logistical failure. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453/83 "2019-04-13T17:49:31Z")
> [@2ManyTacos](#): > > … And yes, it is - ironic? I guess - that the opposition to this idea is mostly stemming from Democratic officials. > … The opposition to this disgusting idea has nothing to do with not wanting these desperate people in Sanctuary cities. If Trump has everyone so numb that the inhumane idea of using these people this way is not understood, then this country is well and truly fucked. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453/84 "2019-04-13T18:09:13Z")
> [@2ManyTacos](#): > > Eh, this is one of those issues where I am not necessarily opposed, even if, as another poster noted, the idea is being floated for, um, unsavory reasons. Although I’m as leftwing as they come on the bulk of all other issues, I am still relatively conservative on immigration policy. And yes, it is - ironic? I guess - that the opposition to this idea is mostly stemming from Democratic officials. Wrong, as already noticed on post #26 > **[White House proposed releasing immigrant detainees in sanctuary cities,...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/white-house-proposed-releasing-immigrant-detainees-in-sanctuary-cities-targeting-political-foes/2019/04/11/72839bc8-5c68-11e9-9625-01d48d50ef75_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.89ed898f72d1)** > > The political retribution was proposed in November and again in February, but immigration authorities rejected the idea as inappropriate, rebuffing the White House. > [@](#): > > The White House told U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement that the plan was intended to alleviate a shortage of detention space but also served to send a message to Democrats. The attempt at political retribution raised alarm within ICE, with a top official responding that it was rife with budgetary and liability concerns, and noting that “there are PR risks as well.” > > After the White House pressed again in February, ICE’s legal department rejected the idea as inappropriate and rebuffed the administration. > > A White House official and a spokesman for DHS sent nearly identical statements to The Post on Thursday, indicating that the proposal is no longer under consideration. > > “This was just a suggestion that was floated and rejected, which ended any further discussion,” the White House statement said. The message that is missed here? It was that even ICE told Trump to go pound sand. > [@2ManyTacos](#): > > To the extent that I see an issue with this sanctuary city release proposal, it’s that there doesn’t seem to be much consideration to the logistics behind doing this on a massive scale. I mean, is the administration just planning on dumping bus loads of illegal immigrants onto San Francisco street corners? What **bobot** said, really **2ManyTacos** , I do seriously think that you need to look for better sources or unfriend some [del]fiends[/del] friends in social media. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453/85 "2019-04-13T18:09:49Z")
I guess we can [just keep them in Mexico now](https://twitter.com/Haleaziz/status/1116876743799787520), so … problem solved? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453/86 "2019-04-13T18:48:01Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I guess we can [just keep them in Mexico now](https://twitter.com/Haleaziz/status/1116876743799787520), so … problem solved? IIUC that is only a temporary order until the judge sees more evidence coming from the administration too. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453/87 "2019-04-13T18:59:58Z")
Related to this, Trump is making this worse by cutting aid to Central America (although that order seems to be a Salazar style one too) and doing nothing about climate change. > **[Central American Farmers Head to the U.S., Fleeing Climate Change (Published...](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/13/world/americas/coffee-climate-change-migration.html)** > > The problems plaguing farmers in Honduras and elsewhere have mounted with rising temperatures and increasingly unpredictable weather. > [@](#): > > Last year, the bank reported that climate change could lead at least 1.4 million people to flee their homes in Mexico and Central America and migrate during the next three decades. > > The United States has allocated tens of millions of dollars in aid in recent years for farmers across Central America, including efforts to help them adapt to the changing climate. > > But President Trump has vowed to cut off all foreign aid to Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador because of what he calls their failure to curb the flow of migrants north. > > Critics contend the punishment is misguided, though, because it could undermine efforts to address the very problems that are driving people to abandon their farms and head to the United States. > > “If Donald Trump withdraws all the funds for Honduras, it’s going to generate more unemployment, and that’s going to generate more migration,” said María Esperanza López, the general manager of Copranil, a coffee-growers cooperative here in western Honduras. “And that’s going to result in more abandoned farms.” Nice job breaking it, hero Trump! /s ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453/88 "2019-04-14T05:26:17Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Ask Trump. It was his plan. > > Does it matter that the plan is stupid and his own administration told him so? Or does it matter that the President dreams up stupid plans that he imagines will harm those who didn’t vote for him? And does it matter that lots of Trump supporters were really big on the idea of a wall to keep the scary brown people _out_ of the US? If I were a redhat I’d be really pissed upon learning that Trump is perfectly willing to let those leprous smallpox-infested murderers and rapists into my nice white country. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453/89 "2019-04-14T07:02:02Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > The message that is missed here? It was that even ICE told Trump to go pound sand Yeah, but I am too pessimistic at this point to believe it is on strictly ethical grounds. ICE and DHS will depend on Democrat support for future budgetary committees. No one in charge wants their purse cut or their head to roll 2 years down the road. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453/90 "2019-04-14T12:54:22Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > IIUC that is only a temporary order until the judge sees more evidence coming from the administration too. I know, but the sequence of events still seems like this: President Trump: “we’ll keep them in Mexico” California judge: “you can’t do that, you have to let them in” President Trump: “fine, we’ll send them to California” More California judges: “shit … umm … never mind, you can keep them in Mexico.” ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453/91 "2019-04-14T13:08:11Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I know, but the sequence of events still seems like this: > > President Trump: “we’ll keep them in Mexico” > California judge: “you can’t do that, you have to let them in” > President Trump: “fine, we’ll send them to California” > More California judges: “shit … umm … never mind, you can keep them in Mexico.” Seems more that you did not read the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453/92 "2019-04-14T13:09:13Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I know, but the sequence of events still seems like this: > > President Trump: “we’ll keep them in Mexico” > California judge: “you can’t do that, you have to let them in” > President Trump: “fine, we’ll send them to California” > More California judges: “shit … umm … never mind, you can keep them in Mexico.” Your hypothetical that judges are influenced by tweeted shitshows is farcical. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453/93 "2019-04-14T13:40:48Z")
It’s like Trump supporters are actually believing the BS Trump says about himself. Next they will start believing that Trump Tower was the tallest building in New York after 9/11, because MUSLIM CONGRESSWOMAN!!! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453/94 "2019-04-14T13:57:05Z")
Wait. It _wasn’t_ Saddam Hussein? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453/95 "2019-04-14T15:28:59Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I know, but the sequence of events still seems like this: > > President Trump: “we’ll keep them in Mexico” > California judge: “you can’t do that, you have to let them in” > President Trump: “fine, we’ll send them to California” > More California judges: “shit … umm … never mind, you can keep them in Mexico.” President Trump: “I’m going to make a massive wall that is a total environment disaster, and won’t accomplish a thing. It will be a huge waste of money but I can put my name on it” California judge: “That’s a really, really stupid idea” President Trump: "fine, I’m going to punish you because I have the mental capabilities of a 5 year old, and it’s time to throw a tantrum. More California judges: “There are much better options that you can’t see because you are nothing more than a spoiled brat” Fixed it for ya Hurricane. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453/96 "2019-04-14T15:35:49Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > It’s like Trump supporters are actually believing the BS Trump says about himself. > > Next they will start believing that Trump Tower was the tallest building in New York after 9/11, because MUSLIM CONGRESSWOMAN!!! It’s really that there are many more racist morons in the country then most of us knew. Also, these idiots are supported by people like DeVos that don’t think they have a big enough piece of the pie. And, of course, we have the religious ‘right’ that would have been struck down decades ago if what they believed was true. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453/97 "2019-04-14T18:23:56Z")
So let me get this straight: Trump characterizes all these border-crossers as violent criminals and then proposes busing them to hundreds of sanctuary cities and counties in 27 states and **expecting them to stay put**? That’s a real knee-slapper. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453/98 "2019-04-14T20:18:07Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > You know, gotchas would be useful for you if they could your talking point to not be a pathetic one. > > _ **In this specific case** _, yes. ICE was right, like the the blind squirrel that finds a nut. ICE actually isnt evil. They do a necessary job. Just like the FBI isnt evil but was turned to evil by J Edgar Hoover. Just like the IRS isnt evil. ICE is just as ‘evil’ as the man who sits in the Oval office and directs their actions. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453/99 "2019-04-14T20:23:35Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Related to this, Trump is making this worse by cutting aid to Central America…s He is cutting aid to Central America because the GOp found out how effective the scare tactic of a “invasion” of “tens of thousands” was in the last election. He hopes there will be more and larger caravans, which may help him sit in the White House for another four years. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453/100 "2019-04-14T20:30:35Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Ok. I think ICE is wrong 100% of the time and favor abolition. > > … This is just as useless as those idiots who want to abolish the IRS. ICE performs a useful function. It just needs to be run without a racist moron in the Oval office. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-administration-considered-releasing-illegal-immigrants-in-sanctuary-cities/832453.md?page=6)