# Trump Adviser: "Gays can be reformed, like arsonists" **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 20, 2016, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508 "2016-11-20T06:16:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508/41 "2016-11-22T16:37:49Z")
Heh. And to think: before the election, I kept hearing about the “shy Trump voters”: that Trump was going to do somewhat better than the polls said, because folks who _wouldn’t even say that they’d hold their nose and vote for him_ would vote for him. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508/42 "2016-11-22T16:41:00Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Heh. And to think: before the election, I kept hearing about the “shy Trump voters”: that Trump was going to do somewhat better than the polls said, because folks who _wouldn’t even say that they’d hold heir nose and vote for him_ would vote for him. Fortunately for trump, (unfortunately for America) they were encouraged by the very proud trump voters. I hear there is going to be a parade! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508/43 "2016-11-22T16:48:19Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Fortunately for trump, (unfortunately for America) they were encouraged by the very proud trump voters. Well, sure. But, again: there were proud Clinton voters, right? Didn’t they encourage the _they-say-they’ll-hold-noses-and-vote-for-her_ folks? Just like proud Trump voters would’ve encouraged the _can’t-even-say-they’ll-vote-for-him-at-all_ folks? ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508/44 "2016-11-22T17:15:49Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > Straight people who are comfortable with their straightness tend not to care that others are gay. In fact, I’ve known more than one straight guy who felt that the more gay guys there are, the more women are available. This. And I’ll probably get myself pitted for this but: Because of gay men, men are officially better at everything on the planet. Including the “girlie” things like make-up, fashion and design. So yeah, I’ve always thought gays needed better PR. (smirk) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508/45 "2016-11-22T17:18:27Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Well, sure. But, again: there were proud Clinton voters, right? Didn’t they encourage the _they-say-they’ll-hold-noses-and-vote-for-her_ folks? Just like proud Trump voters would’ve encouraged the _can’t-even-say-they’ll-vote-for-him-at-all_ folks? Yes, but being proud of being a Clinton voter means being able to articulate why, in boring policy speak, that is not all that captivating. Being a proud trump voter means being able to say things like “Lock her up!”, “Build the wall!”, “Law and Order!” as if these are actually substantive policies. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508/46 "2016-11-22T19:58:43Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > How many Trump supporters post on this board? Are there more than five? > > There are plenty of Trump supporting communities out there if you’re that interested. They think Trump is drinking liberal tears. I want Trumper/Dopers to [del] stick their necks out[/del] come forward and support him on these specifIc issues (this one and the White Nationalism thing). Site dine pride in your winning candidate. They snipe at Hillary and The Liberals but no one can/will defend the man they voted for. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508/47 "2016-11-22T20:11:07Z")
Trump elector: “[I think fruits are decorative. Hang up where they can be seen and appreciated.](https://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/montana-trump-elector-calls-for-executing-gays-hang-them-up-where-they-can-be-seen/)” ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508/48 "2016-11-22T20:38:35Z")
It’s okay though. Remember - as he rationalizes for you - he’s ninety-three years old. I paraphrase Denis Miller: My grandfather is ninety-three … we don’t let him operate the remote control for the TeeVee, ferchrissakes. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508/49 "2016-11-22T20:42:55Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > It’s okay though. Remember - as he rationalizes for you - he’s ninety-three years old. I paraphrase Denis Miller: My grandfather is ninety-three … we don’t let him operate the remote control for the TeeVee, ferchrissakes. But he gets to vote in the Electoral College. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508/50 "2016-11-22T20:44:27Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > But he gets to vote in the Electoral College. I was going to say we won’t let him remotely change the channel…but we’ll let him remotely change the President. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508/51 "2016-11-22T20:44:30Z")
You’re hip to my jive, babe. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508/52 "2016-11-22T20:45:31Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump elector: “[I think fruits are decorative. Hang up where they can be seen and appreciated.](https://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/montana-trump-elector-calls-for-executing-gays-hang-them-up-where-they-can-be-seen/)” > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > It’s okay though. Remember - as he rationalizes for you - he’s ninety-three years old. I paraphrase Denis Miller: My grandfather is ninety-three … we don’t let him operate the remote control for the TeeVee, ferchrissakes. > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > But he gets to vote in the Electoral College. ☹ For the record, my mother is 92 and has never thought anything close to this. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508/53 "2016-11-22T20:49:40Z")
Who’s going to be first, I wonder, to suggest therapeutic water-boarding? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508/54 "2016-11-22T21:12:04Z")
Trump on the other hand does not have a history of homophobia. Or anti-Semitism. Or anywhere near the racism and sexism he is being accused of. He is simply an unqualified wealthy clown that got elected president and will be the source of unprecedented embarrassment for the next four years. We will catch him staring down the cleavage of somebody’s wife and grabbing Aung San Suu Kyi by the pussy. The state department is going to have its hands full figuring out new ways to say “I’m sooooo sorry” and Melania will breathe a sigh of relief as she blocks out the world from her penthouse suite in Manhattan. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508/55 "2016-11-22T21:24:16Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Trump on the other hand does not have a history of homophobia. > > Or anti-Semitism. > > Or anywhere near the racism and sexism he is being accused of. He is simply an unqualified wealthy clown that got elected president and will be the source of unprecedented embarrassment for the next four years. Every time you bring this up, it’s like we have never discussed it before: Never discussed his actual past history, never discussed the background of the people he has appointed, never discussed the opinions of those being considered for other appointments, never discussed the hate-filled rants and hate-filled rallies that supported him and voted for him(“Please! Stop!” he whispered…after they voted). It’s as if you either have no memory of all that has been said before…or you’re getting the giggles from wasting our time. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508/56 "2016-11-22T21:44:29Z")
Anny Middon: > [@](#): > > I truly believe that people like Pence are scared shitless by gays because of their own gay tendencies. He thinks that if there were no gay men he’d stop having those disturbing dreams where he’s sucking cock. Ridiculous. Anti-gay folks are anti-gay because they believe in the Bible which says homosexuality is detestable in the eyes of G-d, and because this religious belief was ingrained in the consciousness of Western nations for two thousand years, have a hard time seeing it as a personal belief rather than as an incontrovertible fact. It’s really that simple. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508/57 "2016-11-22T22:03:15Z")
Which bible, bwana? ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508/58 "2016-11-22T22:26:52Z")
How many Bibles do you know of? Or is this about to be one of those smart-ass “why do they wear mixed fabrics” tangents? Because ultimately, it doesn’t matter why Christians consider one part of Leviticus to still be in force, and another part irrelevant. The important point is that it’s a belief that Christians have held for two thousand years, and, being the dominant culture (and to some degree, also the temporal power) in the western world for much of that time, believers have come to see “homosexuality = bad” as a fact rather than as a personal belief/opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508/59 "2016-11-22T23:01:22Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Anny Middon: > > Ridiculous. > > Anti-gay folks are anti-gay because they believe in the Bible which says homosexuality is detestable in the eyes of G-d, and because this religious belief was ingrained in the consciousness of Western nations for two thousand years, have a hard time seeing it as a personal belief rather than as an incontrovertible fact. > > It’s really that simple. Interesting, in that G-d apparently has no wife nor girlfriend, despite being G-d the Father, and His Son, who also has no wife nor girlfriend, and hangs out with a group of grown men, urging them to leave their wives and families, interesting that both mytho-historical figures would find homosexuality “detestable.” One of the most bizarre aspects of Christianity and its adherents, particularly the RC view, it its preoccupation with sexuality. Also odd that a priest is referred to as Father, when that is that one thing that he can never be allowed to become. That’s some crazy shit right there. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508/60 "2016-11-23T00:14:36Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Anny Middon: > > > [@](#): > > > > Quote: > > I truly believe that people like Pence are scared shitless by gays because of their own gay tendencies. He thinks that if there were no gay men he’d stop having those disturbing dreams where he’s sucking cock. > > Ridiculous. > > Anti-gay folks are anti-gay because they believe in the Bible which says homosexuality is detestable in the eyes of G-d, and because this religious belief was ingrained in the consciousness of Western nations for two thousand years, have a hard time seeing it as a personal belief rather than as an incontrovertible fact. > > It’s really that simple. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-gays-can-be-reformed-like-arsonists/772508.md?page=4)