# Trump adviser tells House Republicans: You're no longer Reagan's party **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 24, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-tells-house-republicans-youre-no-longer-reagans-party/772912 "2016-11-24T18:59:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-tells-house-republicans-youre-no-longer-reagans-party/772912/1 "2016-11-24T18:59:04Z")
> **[Trump adviser tells House Republicans: You’re no longer Reagan’s party](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/307462-trump-adviser-tells-house-republicans-youre-no-longer-reagans-party/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark)** > > “Trump has converted the GOP into a populist working-class party.” Well well. I’m betting most of them will just roll over and get on board. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-tells-house-republicans-youre-no-longer-reagans-party/772912/2 "2016-11-24T19:09:55Z")
I don’t even… Does anybody even…? Can anybody here play this game? Prolly just a puffed-up “adviser” with no actual portfolio. Trump doesn’t know what he’s doing, how can this guy know? Clarification in five, four, three… ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-tells-house-republicans-youre-no-longer-reagans-party/772912/3 "2016-11-24T19:11:53Z")
Assuming the OP’s title reflects the article, Trump’s person is right. Like the proverbial stopped clock. What happens next is what matters. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-tells-house-republicans-youre-no-longer-reagans-party/772912/4 "2016-11-24T19:51:07Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > I’m betting most of them will just roll over and get on board. What do you mean, will? They already have. Trump has done them the ‘favor’ of showing that it is unnecessary to engage in civilized discourse or acknowledge any sense of hypocrisy whatsoever. He essentially showed them to not be afraid of following through on their rhetoric. Of course, he was doing it against a notably unpopular candidate who failed to appeal to enough of the traditional base and did not represent voters disillusioned with politics and corporate influence. That very lesson may be their own undoing if the DNC can acknowledge and correct their failing in this election. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-tells-house-republicans-youre-no-longer-reagans-party/772912/5 "2016-11-25T01:15:44Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Assuming the OP’s title reflects the article, Trump’s person is right. Like the proverbial stopped clock. > > What happens next is what matters. Pretty interesting. Talk about bait and switch. > [@](#): > > Just as Reagan converted the GOP into a conservative party, Trump has converted the GOP into a populist working-class party,” [Stephen] Moore said in an interview Wednesday. “In some ways this will be good for conservatives and in other ways possibly frustrating.” > … > Moore now believes Republican House members should be less ideologically pure and instead help Trump give the voters what he promised them. > > “He wants to spend all this money on infrastructure,” Moore said, referring to Trump’s potentially trillion-dollar infrastructure package. … The voters get what they want and Trump makes a boatload of money. Win-win. It’s a new world. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-tells-house-republicans-youre-no-longer-reagans-party/772912/6 "2016-11-25T01:36:15Z")
:rolleyes: Translation: **“Just as we Republicans in the 1980s had to learn to say _family values_ and _government is the problem_, now we have to learn to say _working-class_ and _populist_. We can’t get ordinary people to vote for our upward-wealth-transfer policies unless we use effective rhetoric to make it sound like we’re on their side.”** > [@](#): > > Moore surprised some of the Republican lawmakers assembled at their closed-door whip meeting last Tuesday when he told them they should no longer think of themselves as belonging to the conservative party of Ronald Reagan. > > They now belong to Trump’s populist working-class party, he said. […] > > “Just as Reagan converted the GOP into a conservative party, Trump has converted the GOP into a populist working-class party,” Moore said in an interview Wednesday. […] > > Moore has spent much of his career advocating for huge tax and spending cuts and free trade. He’s been as close to a purist ideological conservative as they come, but he says the experience of traveling around Rust Belt states to support Trump has altered his politics. > > “It turned me more into a populist,” he said […] > > Moore is excited about large parts of Trump’s agenda. He helped write Trump’s tax plan and thinks the cuts will accelerate economic growth and create new jobs. He’s also had a hand in Trump’s energy plan and looks forward to slashing regulations hindering American energy production. > > But Moore knows the days of Reaganite conservatism are probably over. > > “Reagan ran as an ideological conservative. Trump ran as an economic populist,” he said. > > “Trump’s victory,” Moore added, “turned it into the Trump party.” IOW: Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, but with some new buzzwords. ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-tells-house-republicans-youre-no-longer-reagans-party/772912/7 "2016-11-25T03:06:36Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > [http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/307462-trump-adviser-tells-house-republicans-youre-no-longer-reagans-party?utm\_source=fark&utm\_medium=website&utm\_content=link&ICID=ref\_fark](http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/307462-trump-adviser-tells-house-republicans-youre-no-longer-reagans-party?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark) > > Well well. > > I’m betting most of them will just roll over and get on board. Moore is one of those people, like Larry Kudlow that strike me as a TOTAL opportunist. He has been advocating entirely different economic policies for YEARS that go directly against the populism of Trump, and now he’s changed his mind after some time on the trail? He the conservative economics version of Hannity, totally useless compromised human being, that will go anywhere the wind blows to keep republicans in power. All that said, WHAT he said was kind of right. The base of the republican party is not the same, and guess who explained this all best some years ago? One David Frum. I know many people here still DESPISE David Frum because he was a neocon, but I still think he’s one of the most engaging and insightful speakers around. Listen to his analysis of the republican party and base of support SIX YEARS ago !!!!!!! It’s like Nostradamus come to life. College educated whites and the people that succeed in the current system have abandoned the party, while the working class / non college educated white population gives more and more support to them. They have a different base, with entirely different interests to the elites that still call themselves republicans. And Stephen Moore, opportunist chameleon that he is, intends to ride whatever ideological wave that leads to more power. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-tells-house-republicans-youre-no-longer-reagans-party/772912/8 "2016-11-25T03:43:51Z")
The old Republican way was too dependent on the power of the rich elites. The New Republican Party will unify _all_ the classes and people into one group, dedicated to patriotism, a shining citadel on the hill! The wealthy and the workers will be united in mind and spirit, dedicated to the founding of the New America, to last a thousand years! One people, one America, One Donald! ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-tells-house-republicans-youre-no-longer-reagans-party/772912/9 "2016-11-25T04:55:36Z")
(White) working class. The white working class voted for him, non-white working class people didn’t support him anymore than non-white professional class people supported him. They are leaving out the racial, religious and nationalistic aspects of Trump’s rise. But yes, he did offer to promote the agenda of the working class. However Trump has scammed and conned endless people in his life so far, so I don’t have much hope of him doing anything for them. What Trump will probably do is take credit for stuff he didn’t actually have a meaningful role in. If a company considers moving overseas, then decides against it, Trump will take credit and his base will eat it up even when the company releases a statement saying Trump had nothing to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-tells-house-republicans-youre-no-longer-reagans-party/772912/10 "2016-11-25T05:52:43Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > If a company considers moving overseas, then decides against it, Trump will take credit and his base will eat it up even when the company releases a statement saying Trump had nothing to do with it. He’s already done this (with the KY Ford plant) and they weren’t even CONSIDERING a move. ---
**Author:** ![AngelSoft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelsoft/32/440_2.png) [@AngelSoft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelSoft)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-tells-house-republicans-youre-no-longer-reagans-party/772912/11 "2016-11-25T06:25:58Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > He’s already done this (with the KY Ford plant) and they weren’t even CONSIDERING a move. From what I heard they were contractually bound to stay in the US, something that had been implemented before Trump even got in the race. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-tells-house-republicans-youre-no-longer-reagans-party/772912/12 "2016-11-25T06:49:29Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > If a company considers moving overseas, then decides against it, Trump will take credit and his base will eat it up even when the company releases a statement saying Trump had nothing to do with it. And companies will learn that they have a big incentive to fake it. Muse about moving a factory to Mexico, then “negotiate” with the president and get praised as a job creator when they don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-adviser-tells-house-republicans-youre-no-longer-reagans-party/772912/13 "2016-11-25T16:57:17Z")
I should add, people like Stephen Moore are willing to toss just about any presumed conservative policy under the sun under the bus except one. Lower tax rates on high earners like himself. He and Larry Kudlow will make all sorts of assertions about automatic growth once such a thing is done (Hello Kansas). If he has to reintroduce earmarks to toss some scraps to the white working class to maintain the political support needed to keep his taxes lower, than he will jump through those hoops. I do not believe for a second if it was demonstrated that lower taxes lead to lower growth or similar growth with larger deficits he’d bad an eye. I see him as ENTIRELY self centered in hos concern. How high are my taxes? How much more can I keep in MY paycheck and investment income? More? Rest of society goes into a slow burn… but my taxes get lowered? FINE BY ME. Perhaps my assessment of him is wrong, but that is the sense I get.