# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/181 "2025-09-10T23:55:01Z")
Charlie Kirk is a lot like Ben Shapiro; his reach (and name recognition) are a lot higher among younger folks than those that skew older. My college-age kids know (and despise) both of them because they turn up a lot in the “manosphere”. ---
**Author:** ![Cazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cazzle/32/75_2.png) [@Cazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cazzle)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/182 "2025-09-10T23:55:22Z")
I agree with you. Charlie Kirk was a reprehensible human being who actively made the world a worse place. The person who killed Charlie Kirk is a reprehensible human being who actively made the world a worse place. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/183 "2025-09-10T23:56:39Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Chalk me up as someone who had never heard of Charlie Kirk until today. I’m honestly surprised by this. On a list of the five people who contributed (for lack of a better term) most to the MAGA movement’s current Zeitgeist, Trump is obviously #1, but Kirk is in the top 5 as well. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/184 "2025-09-10T23:58:02Z")
I don’t want to derail the thread, but people weren’t just celebrating the shooting of Thompson because of Thompson saying bad things or something. The behavior of CEOs like Thompson was costing a huge toll in needless deaths and suffering of patients. I believe someone even did a mathematical calculation after the shooting and pointed out that healthcare CEOs like Thompson killed more Americans than Osama bin Laden did. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/185 "2025-09-11T00:05:05Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Chalk me up as someone who had never heard of Charlie Kirk until today. Here’s a little bit about him. > **[This MAGA Influencer Is Getting Dragged After Telling A Young Girl College Is...](https://www.buzzfeed.com/alanavalko/charlie-kirk-mrs-degree-reactions)** > > "These creepy weirdos dream of having trad-wives because women can't stand them. Instead of self-improvement, they choose to indoctrinate young girls into thinking they aren't huge losers." ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/186 "2025-09-11T00:05:34Z")
Moderating: The OP has requested this thread be moved to The Pit, so participants can express their feelings in a more unbridled way. Have at. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/187 "2025-09-11T00:06:46Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I don’t want to derail the thread, but people weren’t just celebrating the shooting of Thompson because of Thompson saying bad things or something. The behavior of CEOs like Thompson was costing a huge toll in needless deaths and suffering of patients. And people will tell you that they’re not celebrating because Charlie Kirk said bad things or something but because he masterminded and orchestrated the ongoing elimination and mass murder of Trans people from America. And if someone murdered Biden or Harris, there’d be tons of cultists lines up to tell you that it wasn’t because of bad stuff they said but because they were transitioning children against their will. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/188 "2025-09-11T00:08:01Z")
Kash now saying the 2nd guy also isn’t the shooter. Ok fine, not catching the guy right away, but what a clusterfuck of announcements. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/189 "2025-09-11T00:08:13Z")
Trans activist Sophie LeBelle wrote a comic that said this: > Charlie Kirk wasted the last moments of his life spewing dangerous lies about trans people and inciting violence against them. > > Yet, there is nothing to celebrate. Political violence like his murder is the match that could ignite something far more evil than what we can imagine. > > Kirk spent so much of his life making the world a meaner and more hateful place for trans people. > > But I fear his death will make it significantly worse. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/190 "2025-09-11T00:08:49Z")
> [@doc481](#): > > Someone you disagree with should not be assassinated because their beliefs don’t align with yours. > > Those people who a giddy with celebrating someones murder are sick. This. I certainly can’t bring myself to celebrate this. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/191 "2025-09-11T00:10:24Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Some of the comments here sicken me. I thought we were better than this. Which ones specifically? I haven’t seen anyone here doing what I would consider actively celebrating it. I’m wondering where your line is. ETA: I see you edited your post, so feel free to ignore this if your original post wasn’t reflective of your feelings. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/192 "2025-09-11T00:11:30Z")
Because it wasn’t in the pit. Whats the absolute worst thing I’m allowed to say about someone in the pit? I’ll say it now. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/193 "2025-09-11T00:12:08Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I’m honestly surprised by this. On a list of the five people who contributed (for lack of a better term) most to the MAGA movement’s current Zeitgeist, Trump is obviously #1, but Kirk is in the top 5 as well. Me too. Kirk seemed unavoidable. Certainly if you watch the liberal channels on YouTube, he absolutely was unavoidable. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/194 "2025-09-11T00:14:53Z")
The percentage of the population that watches the liberal channels on youtube is probably under 1%. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/195 "2025-09-11T00:17:35Z")
I knew the name and knew he was conservative but never read anything he said or wrote. I assume Matt Walsh is worried now. Hope they catch the shooter. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/196 "2025-09-11T00:17:37Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > The percentage of the population that watches the liberal channels on youtube is probably under 1%. I bet it’s higher. I would have thought him inescapable anyway, and I certainly would have thought that Dopers posting in P&E would have known of him. No great loss to those who had never heard of him until now, however. He caused accelerated brain cell apoptosis in anyone who listened to him speak. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/197 "2025-09-11T00:18:06Z")
Unfortunately reality no longer matters. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/198 "2025-09-11T00:21:01Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > The percentage of the population that watches the liberal channels on youtube is probably under 1%. Someone like David Pakman alone has an audience roughly the size of 1% of the US population. Not all of them are American, but that’s also just 1 channel. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/199 "2025-09-11T00:22:05Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > > [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > > > Chalk me up as someone who had never heard of Charlie Kirk until today. > > > > Here’s a little bit about him. > > > > [MAGA Influencer Slammed For Sexist College Advice](https://www.buzzfeed.com/alanavalko/charlie-kirk-mrs-degree-reactions) Just unbelievable. What a total fucking asshole. So he had two young children. Apparently a daughter and a son, three and 1½ years old, respectively. The loss of their father is, by any measure, tragic. But there is, in fact, another perspective, even if it sounds terribly callous. It occurs to me from having seen the recent movie _Sovereign_, about a widowed father who’s a determined sovereign citizen and hates government and all formal institutions, and tries to instill the same values in his son. Partly based on a true story, it ends in tragedy for both of them. I respectfully suggest that Kirk’s young children may be better off without him. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/200 "2025-09-11T00:22:08Z")
Ah, yes, argue that it’s actually 1.5%, which still completely validates the point I was making. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=11)