# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 101
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2001 "2025-10-15T18:45:59Z")
I mean, I guess? Like I said, it’s not really just about what we see on the news. Maybe it’s because I’m in Texas but literally the MAGA folks who have no problem volubly espousing their views at work or in the neighborhood or HEB or wherever just aren’t talking about Kirk anymore. Not like they were literally just one month ago. Except in a vague “oh yeah, we’re supposed to still be angry about him” way. He isn’t being used to stir jack shit anymore. Sure, they’re keeping his name in the news but that’s just until the next thing pops up, whether that’s immigrants eating pets or pedophile rings operating out of pizza restaurant basements or whatever. Kirk was the flavor of the month (almost exactly a month), but he doesn’t stir their emotions anymore. It’s been too long, and the next dopamine hit will have to come from something else. ETA: There’s a maxim about being prepared to fight the last war and not the next one. Kirk was the last war. There’s something new coming. We don’t know what it will be. Not even the right wing influencers know what it will be (they also don’t care - they just toss out a hundred things and seize on the ones that seem to gain traction). But focusing on what happened instead of what will come is a mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2002 "2025-10-15T19:46:59Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Couple mentions in the news it would have been his birthday but I think he is on minute 14 of his allotted 15 of fame. And if anybody is getting hassled to do a Kirk birthday celebration, they can suggest making it a joint murder-victim birthday memorial for Kirk and the late George Floyd, born exactly 20 years previously on October 14, 1973. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2025, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2003 "2025-10-18T02:42:41Z")
We all have it wrong, God killed Charlie so he wouldn’t turn on Israel, [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/qsfKMxfUv1M/maxresdefault.jpg "Shane Vaughn Says God Let Satan Kill Charlie Kirk Before He Turned Against Israel") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsfKMxfUv1M) ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2025, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2004 "2025-10-18T02:44:00Z")
He was shot? This is the first Im hearing about it! ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2025, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2005 "2025-10-18T05:10:52Z")
Wait– somebody was shot? Who? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2025, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2006 "2025-10-18T06:36:58Z")
Captain Kirk, I think. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2025, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2007 "2025-10-18T06:42:36Z")
Would that it had been Captain Crunch. His cereal is _nasty_. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2025, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2008 "2025-10-18T07:54:58Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > I’m pointing out he is not forgotten by MAGA or this regime and they will keep on using his killing to taken actions to harm their opponents. I wish they’d give up trying to keep his name relevant. Pretending I care about what happened to him is a real pain in the neck. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2025, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2009 "2025-10-18T21:24:22Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > Wait– somebody was shot? Who? Was it related to gang violence? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2025, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2010 "2025-10-18T21:37:35Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > We all have it wrong, God killed Charlie so he wouldn’t turn on Israel, It’s actually a bit more complicated than that. Satan killed Charlie, but God allowed it because Satan, with the help of Tucker Carlson, was in the process of turning Kirk against Isreal. Now why Satan would kill someone he was just about to use for his own evil ends is not clear, but ours is not to question why. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2025, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2011 "2025-10-18T23:52:31Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > I wish they’d give up trying to keep his name relevant. The Turning Point podcast is still called the Charlie Kirk Show. I wonder how long substitute hosts are going to keep that up? I’m sure they are all in-fighting to grab that profitable position. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2025, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2012 "2025-10-19T00:52:03Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > I’m sure they are all in-fighting to grab that profitable position. Are you sure? I hear the last guy, whatever his name was, came to a timely end. Shot dead literally as he was minimalizing the danger of gun violence. Brilliant comedic timing. Punchline right to the throat. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2025, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2013 "2025-10-19T04:47:07Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Now why Satan would kill someone he was just about to use for his own evil ends is not clear, but ours is not to question why. God works in mysterious ways and all that. True, this is Satan but he gets his agency from God, right? ---
**Author:** ![SailorHG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@SailorHG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SailorHG)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2025, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2014 "2025-10-19T11:00:54Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Now why Satan would kill someone he was just about to use for his own evil ends is not clear Nor is it scriptural. They conveniently forget about the New Testament story where the Pharisees accused Jesus of using the power of Satan to cast out devils. Jesus told them that Satan doesn’t roll that way… so that’s how we can know he’s from God. They ALSO forget that in the end times, ALL nations will be against Israel and that’s what will finally bring about the return of the Lord. So if they really wanted to hasten his coming? They’d stir up MORE animosity against Israel rather than defend them. RWers really don’t understand the Book they claim to believe in… (And there’s everyone’s Sunday School lesson for today! 😜) ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2025, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2015 "2025-10-19T12:00:20Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Your original post about this said he was “mostly forgotten”. I’m pointing out that may be true for those on the left, particularly those who were unaware of Kirk prior to his killing. I’m pointing out he is not forgotten by MAGA or this regime and they will keep on using his killing to taken actions to harm their opponents. Whether they would have done some of these things anyway isn’t relevant, at least to me. His killing is going to continue to be used to stir up the GOP base. Agree that they will memorialize Kirk’s _killing_ as a rallying cry for as long as they can possibly milk it. Kirk himself? Anything he said, did or built? Even his dumb face? All of that stuff is fading by the day. Nothing he did is original or important or distinctive. He was a peddler of commodity hatred. He was the most popular simply because someone has to be the most popular, and the dice-roll landed on him, and a thousand other grifters are working hard to replace him. They’ll succeed, and they won’t even keep his name alive, because they’re a bunch of mendacious greedy fucks who believe nothing and respect nobody. He’s exactly like Rush Limbaugh in that regard. He was perhaps the biggest early name, but nobody cares that he’s gone or recalls any particular thing he said or did. He entertained conservatives by insulting liberals, it’s an easy grift that rewards ape-like imitation and repetition, and it’s an easily replaceable position that someone’s always gunning to occupy. ---
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> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > He’s exactly like Rush Limbaugh in that regard. He was perhaps the biggest early name, but nobody cares that he’s gone or recalls any particular thing he said or did. I do seem to recall old Rush sang a catchy little ditty about being a Nazi… ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2025, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2017 "2025-10-19T13:36:41Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > I do seem to recall old Rush sang a catchy little ditty about being a Nazi… I don’t. I remember a couple of bits that he did because they were new and shocking in 1994, but they’re tame compared to what’s out there now. To be fair, the man was a good insult comic. However you may feel about the subject matter and choice of target, it’s a talent, and he was good at it. Bill Clinton deserved to be roasted to hell and back, and Limbaugh delivered. But it’s a fungible talent, and few of them are remembered in very much detail than “that guy could really insult people, just really good at being an asshole.” No particularly memorable bits, nothing inspirational, nothing worth imitating or preserving. Just another asshole off the assembly line of the asshole factory. One gets murked, ten more are ready to take his place. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2025, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2018 "2025-10-19T13:46:08Z")
You’ve never heard Rush sing _I’m a Nazi_!? Hear, have a listen (NSFW): [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/s4DMpgbabKE/hqdefault.jpg "Rush Limbaugh - I'm A Nazi Video") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4DMpgbabKE) ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2025, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2019 "2025-10-19T16:26:49Z")
My comment was intended more as “never heard it” than “I need proof”. Though, as an aside, I find it telling that the worst hits of Limbaugh and his ilk are remembered more by his detractors than his supporters, which feeds back into my point that guys like that aren’t missed or remembered. They are simply tools for the machine. When they die, the machine squeezes whatever outrage it can from their detractors’ celebration of their demise, and when that’s done it forgets them and replaces them with someone else. Interestingly you don’t see people commemorating Kirk with clips or quotes of what he said. It’s because none of it is memorable or inspirational. It’s all commoditized, mass-consumption hate, and the last thing his supporters want is for anyone to put that under a magnifying glass. In fact they’re trying to cancel people simply for sharing Kirk’s literal quotes. The man doesn’t matter; all they need is a mouthpiece who will spread hate for a paycheck, and those people are more common than hydrogen. ---
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> [@SailorHG](#): > > They ALSO forget that in the end times, ALL nations will be against Israel and that’s what will finally bring about the return of the Lord. So if they really wanted to hasten his coming? They’d stir up MORE animosity against Israel rather than defend them. I dunno, the Republicans support and encouragement of Israel’s Gaza actions sure seems like its working on that front. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=100) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=102)