# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 103
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2041 "2025-11-01T08:23:02Z")
Considering her choice of pants, I think she already knows. (I’m assuming the alleged couch was leather or pleather.) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2042 "2025-11-08T23:05:42Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Interestingly you don’t see people commemorating Kirk with clips or quotes of what he said. It’s because none of it is memorable or inspirational. It’s all commoditized, mass-consumption hate, and the last thing his supporters want is for anyone to put that under a magnifying glass. This remains largely true, three weeks later. We are simply exhorted to consider Charlie Kirk a living saint, and never inconvenienced by having to read or hear what he actually said. (Which is pitfall-laden at best.) His alleged sainthood is usually said to lie in his (again) alleged propensity to Talk To Everyone and Debate in Good Faith. The reality seems to be less admirable: > [@](#): > > …Kirk often targeted inexperienced participants, placing them in situations where they could do most of the work for him: interrupting each other, derailing their own points, and leaving gaps for him to push his talking points through unchallenged. By framing this method of asserting his beliefs unchecked as debate, in the “change my mind” format popularized by Steven Crowder, he built a structure in which real pushback or learning was nearly impossible. He never intended to be persuaded. This was a system for billing faith claims as having been tested in the fires of “free speech” and emerging as incontestable fact. He exploited those who believed they were engaging in a sincere dialogue. … > **[Charlie Kirk and the Illusion of Debate](https://maxwellkuzma.substack.com/p/charlie-kirk-and-the-illusion-of)** > > One thing that everyone can agree on is that Charlie Kirk’s death this past week was explosive: one expert in religious extremism referred to it as a torch–not a match–thrown into dry grass. (I gave Substack an email months ago and so see the full article; it might be worthwhile to do so for those who appear to see a paywall. (No ‘pay’ required.) Substack does have a lot of content.) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2025, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2043 "2025-11-09T00:31:59Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > three weeks later After more than eight weeks since the shooting, it appears that he is still being discussed. Sporadically at best. Why he has not evaporated all but completely is beyond me. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2025, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2044 "2025-11-09T00:37:05Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Why he has not evaporated all but completely is beyond me. How many winning topics do the Republicans have to talk about these days? That’s pretty much it, of course they’re going to milk it. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2025, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2045 "2025-11-09T03:11:26Z")
It’s also a massive effort at self-soothing on the part of right-wingers. For years they’ve enjoyed using incendiary apocalyptic rhetoric and violent imagery to demonize their political opponents, secure in the conviction that the only people who might resent it are soy-latte peacenik types and some distant brown mobs that they can fantasize about violently subduing. That scenario means that the only people they expect to get actually hurt by any consequences of their gleefully aggressive rhetoric are the said political opponents, and various minorities and other people who are not them. But if their dehumanizing paranoid imagery of attack and treachery and slaughter and their demands for desperate militant resistance are also generating schisms and fears that could encourage violence against **themselves** … well, that is suddenly a lot more unsettling. So the frantic insistence on forcing everybody to express veneration for Kirk is trying to reassure themselves that Kirk’s murder was just a universally repudiated extremely aberrant anomaly, and the fundamental social principle of “_no political violence against straight white conservative Christians_” remains in operation. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2046 "2025-11-11T22:54:22Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > But if their dehumanizing paranoid imagery of attack and treachery and slaughter and their demands for desperate militant resistance are also generating schisms and fears that could encourage violence against **themselves** … well, that is suddenly a lot more unsettling. > > So the frantic insistence on forcing everybody to express veneration for Kirk is trying to reassure themselves that Kirk’s murder was just a universally repudiated extremely aberrant anomaly, and the fundamental social principle of “_no political violence against straight white conservative Christians_” remains in operation. This makes a lot of sense. Yes, of course the shooting has to have disturbed their sense of safety (no matter how much provocative language they themselves use). ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2047 "2025-11-11T23:02:46Z")
Just checking, but the basic facts have not changed, right? An uber MAGA kid from an uber MAGA family took one of his father’s rifles and shot Charlie Kirk because he wasn’t a big enough Trump fan. Then the blame machine twisted the story to try to say Democrats were involved. Then JD Vance started schtupping Kirk’s widow instead schtupping of his own wife (possible racist overtones involved). That’s the quick version, right? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2048 "2025-11-11T23:04:50Z")
That’s my understanding. There are clear parallels with the two guys who (allegedly) tried to shoot Trump. Both were right-wing. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2049 "2025-11-11T23:06:45Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > There are clear parallels with the two guys who (allegedly) tried to shoot Trump. Both were right-wing. And that ear, to this day, shows no marks in it. ( Blood packets? We’ll never know. ) ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2050 "2025-11-11T23:07:55Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > An uber MAGA kid from an uber MAGA family took one of his father’s rifles and shot Charlie Kirk because he wasn’t a big enough Trump fan. I think this is either very oversimplified or flat out wrong. There was plenty of hope from the left that the kid was MAGA, but reality was more complicated. I especially haven’t seen anything suggesting the killing was because Kirk wasn’t MAGA enough. @Sherrerd if you have better info, I’d love to see it. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2051 "2025-11-11T23:10:37Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > @Sherrerd if you have better info, I’d love to see it. My information is that the Kirk shooter was from a very right-wing family. “MAGA-ness” wasn’t really assessed by any source I’ve seen. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2052 "2025-11-11T23:48:02Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > Just checking, but the basic facts have not changed, right? An uber MAGA kid from an uber MAGA family took one of his father’s rifles and shot Charlie Kirk because he wasn’t a big enough Trump fan. > > Then the blame machine twisted the story to try to say Democrats were involved. “Democrats were involved” is a baseless rumor, true, and [the parents of the alleged shooter Tyler Robinson are Mormons, gun owners and registered Republican voters (I don’t know about “uber MAGA”).](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Charlie_Kirk) > [@](#): > > Robinson’s family are members of [the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"). Robinson’s grandmother said most of the family are Republicans, and added that she did not know “a single Democrat”. Childhood photographs show the Robinson family on trips to shoot guns and see weapons displays. But AFAICT, Robinson himself is not a Trumper and was not motivated by Trump loyalism: > [@](#): > > Robinson’s mother said her son had started to lean more to the left, Utah County Attorney Jeff Gray told a news conference on Tuesday, “becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights orientated”. > > Gray said Robinson left a note under his keyboard for his roommate, which allegedly said: “I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I’m going to take it.” > > Authorities have said the unnamed roommate was a “biological male” who was transitioning from man to woman and was in a romantic relationship with the defendant. Natch, a lot of the credibility of these claims depends on how much confidence we place in Utah prosecutor Jeffrey Gray, whose official statements appear to be the source of them. But I know of no reason to suppose that the basic facts of the claims are in dispute. > [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > Then JD Vance started schtupping Kirk’s widow instead schtupping of his own wife (possible racist overtones involved). Wait, what? By “basic facts”, do you mean “salacious rumors”, or what? Mind you, I have no personal knowledge of, and zero personal interest in, whether JD Vance might be having an affair with Erika Kirk, though I very much doubt that it’s happening. But AFAIK the only “evidence” for such a hypothesis is that the two of them hugged affectionately in public at a recent MAGA event. ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2053 "2025-12-31T15:54:08Z")
Shoutout to Charlie Kirk for not saying anything racist for over 100 days now. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2054 "2025-12-31T16:23:29Z")
That would require some kind of Charlie McCarthyism. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2055 "2025-12-31T16:40:46Z")
~~Snerd~~ Snerk. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2056 "2025-12-31T20:47:15Z")
> [@vislor](#): > > Shoutout to Charlie Kirk for not saying anything racist for over 100 days now. Very thoughtful. Also, has anyone taken the time to thank him for decreasing the surplus population? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2026, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2057 "2026-03-31T16:41:32Z")
In the WTF news now: > **[Does the bullet match? Key issue emerges in Charlie Kirk murder case](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/03/31/tyler-robinson-link-charlie-kirk-bullet-match/89399761007/)** > > Defense attorneys say law enforcement has not linked a bullet found during Charlie Kirk's autopsy to the rifle allegedly used in the shooting. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2026, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2058 "2026-03-31T17:05:16Z")
It doesn’t look _quite_ as WTF as it would seem. The defense is claiming that the autopsy report doesn’t definitively say the bullet came from the defendant’s weapon. Fair enough, good defense work. Not conclusive of course, but a good piece of rebuttal evidence. But does Utah Valley University have a close-by grassy knoll? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2026, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2059 "2026-06-01T14:47:54Z")
> **[Judge to decide if a key hearing for the man accused of killing Charlie Kirk...](https://apnews.com/article/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-hearing-access-11f15eb6302ea6e3d2a0abe8da09f2e0)** > > A Utah judge is set to decide whether to restrict access to parts of a July preliminary hearing and seal some exhibits in the case of the man accused of killing Charlie Kirk. The defense wants to do this to help make sure he gets a fair trial. Good news: a few of the people fired for saying negative things about Kirk after his death have received nice settlements: > **[Florida biologist fired over Charlie Kirk post after his death wins $485,000...](https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-florida-biologist-settlement-9fc72faec821c7b73131e9e754bb7860)** > > Florida officials will pay nearly half a million dollars to a biologist who was fired by a state agency for criticizing conservative activist Charlie Kirk on social media after his death. > **[Woman fired by Indiana university over Charlie Kirk post to receive $225,000...](https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-settlement-fired-ball-state-swierc-fea3b5fd2587a5d5dc2eab2daf44bbff)** > > Attorneys say a woman fired by an Indiana university over her Facebook post criticizing Charlie Kirk will receive $225,000 in a legal settlement. > **[Tennessee man jailed over Charlie Kirk post wins $835,000 settlement](https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-facebook-arrest-tennessee-bushart-b8c5808d77f47a2d93497d12cf0daf84)** > > Tennessee officials will pay $835,000 to settle a lawsuit filed by a man who was jailed for more than a month over a Facebook post he made about the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2026, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/2060 "2026-06-01T15:00:15Z")
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