# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/341 "2025-09-11T13:11:32Z")
European or American? ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/342 "2025-09-11T13:12:51Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > They had had a moment of silence at Yankees stadium before last night’s game, with a picture of Kirk up on the scoreboard. I feel like I’m going to puke. That’s just so odd. I thought that the owners of The Yankees were Star Wars fans. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/343 "2025-09-11T13:16:13Z")
NM - my witicism, on reflection, was not that witty. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/344 "2025-09-11T13:28:08Z")
Police now say they’re tracking a college aged suspect. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/345 "2025-09-11T13:28:19Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > I should have been outraged someone tried to kill a candidate, but I couldn’t muster up any particular outrage, and I find that familiar numbness when it comes to Kirk. Yeah, pretty much this. It is interesting that he turned into one of those fatalities he thought were an acceptable cost for keeping the second amendment. My evangelical relatives, on the other hand, were weeping all over social media about it. These are women who have bought into Kirk’s ‘femininity, not feminism’ bullshit hook, line, and sinker. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/346 "2025-09-11T13:35:48Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Police now say they’re tracking a college aged suspect. It’s a University, so that’s the obvious thing. They say that shot was harder to make than Oswalds. ( Are we Sure this wasn’t someone sniper trained? ) Not that I miss Charlie Kirk. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/347 "2025-09-11T13:37:51Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I’m starting to wonder if the shooter was just a hired gun. He hit Kirk with such precision and then just disappeared. Like a pro. My guess is that when this guy is caught we’re just going to find out he’s a nutjob like most other assassins. I think a lot of people don’t have a full appreciation for how easy it is to hit a man sized target from a few hundred yards away when using a rifle. Don’t get me wrong, hitting that target takes some practice, but it’s not a particularly impressive shot even with iron sights, and I think most people posting here could also have made the shot provided they had some practice. As with Luigi Mangione and the DC Sniper, I am impressed the shooter escaped. That strikes me as much more difficult than making the shot. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/348 "2025-09-11T13:38:41Z")
JFK was moving, that alone makes that shot significantly harder. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/349 "2025-09-11T13:44:23Z")
Fine. MAGA-scum will be arguing this point for years. I’ll happily leave it to them to beat their brains out over. “This Week on The Discovery Channel: Charlie Kirk killed by Aliens! Was Bat-boy involved…?” ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/350 "2025-09-11T13:44:36Z")
Yep, I don’t think I’d be able to make a 200 yard shot, but a 100 one seems trivially easy for me to do the basic aiming for even though I’ve never done it (not taking compensation and recoil into account). I eyeball say a signpost and I am surprised how close it looks at 100. A moving target would be another story. ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/351 "2025-09-11T13:55:35Z")
[quote=“Crafter\_Man, post:324, topic:1022916”] whoever did this was either very experienced or very lucky. [/quote] I don’t think you have to be so “very experienced”. Shooting competitions in our national rifle association use the Sauer TR with diopter sights, targets at 100m and at 200m or 300m. Most recreational shooters put most of their bullets within the black part of the target, i.e. 7 or better. At 200m, the 7 has a diameter of 40 cm. A human head is some 20 cm, so a 9 on the 200 m target. Most half-decent recreational sports shooters shouldn’t have too much of a problem hitting a 9 or better lying prone with support ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/352 "2025-09-11T13:56:22Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Police now say they’re tracking a college aged suspect. I heard that they found the rifle, and do have security video of the gunman while on the campus. As I heard the news, they aren’t giving details of the suspect just yet, but they are actively working with the information that they have. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/353 "2025-09-11T13:57:02Z")
The press conference this AM claimed they have video of the shooter and have the weapon. The video is of a college aged male walking in the halls. Also various identifying prints. The weapon is a ‘high powered rifle’. No info of a round being matched to the weapon. Seemed very tentative about the data. But, if it’s real they have what they need. ---
**Author:** ![mozchron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mozchron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mozchron)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/354 "2025-09-11T13:57:57Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > I heard that they found the rifle High-power single shot bolt action. He knew what he was doing and was not planning on missing. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/355 "2025-09-11T14:02:04Z")
From ABC News: > [@](#): > > Along with recovering the weapon, (an F.B.I. spokesman) said investigators have also collected a footwear impression, palm print and forearm imprints for analysis. Seems unwise to let the killer know that his footwear can be used to help identify him. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/356 "2025-09-11T14:02:29Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > > [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > > > I’m starting to wonder if the shooter was just a hired gun. He hit Kirk with such precision and then just disappeared. Like a pro. > > My guess is that when this guy is caught we’re just going to find out he’s a nutjob like most other assassins. It was a sniper rifle shot from 200 yards away, killing his very public, very evil, target instantly. It was clearly Moxxie from _Helluva Boss_. Anyway, Sophie LaBelle shared a comic with some of Charlie Kirk’s greatest hits: > “These doctors need to be put in prison quickly. We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor. We need it immediately.” > > [After quoting a Bible verse justifying the stoning to death of gay people]: “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.” > > “LGBTQ is a social contagion.” > > “If I see a black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ‘Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’” > > “We need armed militias to prevent the diminishing of white demographics.” > > “It’s worth it to have the cost of, unfortunately, some fun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights.” > > “I think empathy is a made-up, new-age term that does a lot of damage.” ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/357 "2025-09-11T14:04:58Z")
The impressive part is not the shot; it’s the getting away. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/358 "2025-09-11T14:05:08Z")
Great typo in the second-to-last line. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/359 "2025-09-11T14:06:13Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > The impressive part is not the shot; it’s the getting away. Agreed, both entry and exit. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/360 "2025-09-11T14:10:29Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Yep, I don’t think I’d be able to make a 200 yard shot, but a 100 one seems trivially easy for me to do the basic aiming for even though I’ve never done it (not taking compensation and recoil into account). I’m sure that you are right about 100 yards (although that’s the end of the endzone to the endzone of a football field. Set up, sight, hold breath, hit a neck shot, break down and bug out in less than 2 minutes is a lot to ask). Can I see a cite / news report link that it was 100 yards only? Initially, I’d seen reports that it was as much as 400 yards. Understand… I’m not doubting you. I just want to understand and see the reported facts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=19)