# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/361 "2025-09-11T14:14:05Z")
> [@mozchron](#): > > High-power single shot bolt action. He knew what he was doing and was not planning on missing. A single shot throw-away rifle. That doesn’t seem amateur, but I’m not an expert. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/362 "2025-09-11T14:16:45Z")
The page “A Mighty Girl” on Facebook had this to say: > Today’s fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University comes just three months after Minnesota House Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman was assassinated in her home – two leaders from different parties and opposing ideological perspectives, both silenced by acts of political violence. Edit: snipped for length - Miller ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/363 "2025-09-11T14:22:33Z")
What rifle do you think an amateur would use? ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/364 "2025-09-11T14:23:55Z")
And to add on my previous post (the edit window expired): any half-decent hunter, or anyone who’s been through basic training would never try a headshot unless they really had to. That shit is for COD warriors. A torso shot would be an 8 on our 200 m target. At 130-ish meters, prone with support (which any half-competent shooter would choose if at all possible), that’s very doable if you’re a half-competent shooter. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/365 "2025-09-11T14:25:37Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > A “weekend warrior with a fetish for assault weaponry” absolutely could have done it. Maybe we know different weekend warriors. Most of the ones I know don’t practice from distance at all. Most of them I wouldn’t trust to carry a handgun safely or be able to hit a target even close up. I don’t practice often but I could consistently hit from that range but my grouping is shit. There are definitely folks at the range who consistently hit from 300 yards out ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/366 "2025-09-11T14:31:18Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > A liberal commentator will be shot before very long, it’s just a matter of time. We’re in a different world now. This will neither lessen or increase the chance of that happening, and it ignores the fact that it has already happened. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/367 "2025-09-11T14:32:10Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > who would even aim at the neck? Let’s say you zero-in your rifle at 200 yards at a gun range. If you later shoot at 200 yards, but the target is downhill or uphill, you will no longer be zeroed - you will shoot _high_. So if you were to aim at someone’s center of mass while shooting uphill or downhill, you will shoot high (e.g. neck). ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/368 "2025-09-11T14:32:10Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > What rifle do you think an amateur would use? A competent amateur would use something like what they are claiming is the murder weapon. An incompetent one would use an AR-15 they picked up last week at the store and didn’t even bother adjusting, hoping that it would somehow magically hit. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/369 "2025-09-11T14:36:52Z")
None of us know right now who is responsible for this killing, but it’s indisputable who benefits from it (and it isn’t Kirk’s enemies). ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/370 "2025-09-11T14:40:35Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > . In a speech after Kirk’s shooting today, Trump declared that Americans and the media need to “confront the fact that violence and murder are the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree.” What? lol. Trump would never say that in a million years. It’s too coherent, too high minded, and absolutely against his beliefs. So one of his social media goons wrote it. But what an absurd message coming from him, the most fucking powerfully guilty person in the world of doing this. ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/371 "2025-09-11T14:42:08Z")
AR-15? Edit, ninja’d ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/372 "2025-09-11T14:45:41Z")
All we still know at this point is: college-age (ish) and blended in with students; and they have his image. Oh, and the rifle was bolt-action. [Charlie Kirk shooting latest: FBI say weapon found but killer still at large - BBC News](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c206zm81z4gt) ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/373 "2025-09-11T14:51:23Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > All we still know at this point is: college-age (ish) and blended in with students; and they have his image. Which they are not releasing. Which may mean they are not certain that’s the actual shooter. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/374 "2025-09-11T14:59:14Z")
According to the NYT, what has been recovered is a bolt action Mauser 30-06. Definitely somebody taking a shot with a hunting rifle. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/375 "2025-09-11T15:05:13Z")
Why am I not surprised? > **[Trump announces he will posthumously award Charlie Kirk the Presidential...](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-announces-posthumously-award-charlie-kirk-presidential-medal/story?id=125474603)** > > President Donald Trump announced he will posthumously award Charlie Kirk the Presidential Medal of Freedom. > President Donald Trump, at a memorial event at the Pentagon on Thursday on the anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks, announced he will posthumously award Charlie Kirk the Presidential Medal of Freedom. > > Kirk, a prominent conservative activist, [was shot](https://abcnews.go.com/US/charlie-kirk-shooting-fbi-appeals-tips-manhunt-continues/story?id=125469211) during an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday. Trump later that day announced his death. ---
**Author:** ![MagicEyes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@MagicEyes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MagicEyes)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/376 "2025-09-11T15:10:09Z")
I’m not sad that Charlie Kirk is dead because he was despicable. I don’t approve of any politically-motivated violence because it makes things worse. I will be glad when Trump is dead. People are posting photos of their champagne bottles, ready to celebrate, and I don’t have a problem with that at all, because of what Trump has done and continues to do to this country. I have thought for a while that Charlie Kirk is one of the most dangerous people in political punditry, or whatever you call what it is that he did. If you don’t know, try looking up some of his past statements, and whatever you find, it got even worse than that. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/377 "2025-09-11T15:14:42Z")
> [@MagicEyes](#): > > I have thought for a while that Charlie Kirk is one of the most dangerous people in political punditry, or whatever you call what it is that he did. I agree that he was supremely dangerous, and I’m glad that you included the caveat after “punditry.” Too much of the news coverage is taking at face value the whitewashing from right-wing spin doctors, including Kirk’s own Turning Point organization, describing him as a political commentator or observer or free speech advocate or otherwise providing wildly misleading labels as to the scope of his activities. He was not a pundit. He was a Christofascist radical activist, period. Edit to add: I meant to expand on “supremely dangerous” but forgot. The key point there is that Kirk was only 31, quite young by political standards, and had already accumulated a meaningful following. As I mentioned above, if he hadn’t been killed, he had another forty or fifty fucking years of destructive potential ahead of him. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/378 "2025-09-11T15:15:55Z")
WSJ reporting that the ammo had anti-fascist and pro-trans engravings. Actual messaging or an accelerationist trying to kick things off? Both bad, one would be worse. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/379 "2025-09-11T15:17:05Z")
The Wall Street Journal is reporting [“Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology”](https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/charlie-kirk-shot/card/ammunition-in-kirk-shooting-engraved-with-transgender-antifascist-ideology-sources-pdymd1sXXMSlVRhpvR4b). I don’t have a WSJ subscription but I smell bullshit here. How much “ideology” can one engrave on a bullet? What exactly _is_ “transgender ideology”? Can anyone read the article and confirm whether any details are provided? ETA: Ninja’d! ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/380 "2025-09-11T15:17:38Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > According to the NYT, what has been recovered is a bolt action Mauser 30-06. Thanks NYT, that really tells us exactly what rifle was found. I mean it’s not like Paul Mauser’s action was used in many (hundreds?) different rifles made over an entire century. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=20)