# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/401 "2025-09-11T15:59:03Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > Mausers don’t normally shoot 30-06 A good point. It sounds like one of those two bits if information could be wrong. Or… maybe this rifle has been collecting dust somewhere for 70-80 years. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/402 "2025-09-11T15:59:09Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > Mausers don’t normally shoot 30-06 This one is available in .30-06. > **[MAUSER 18 Standard | 80112498](https://www.mauser.com/en/MAUSER-18-Standard/80112498)** ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/403 "2025-09-11T15:59:37Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > Mausers don’t normally shoot 30-06 But you can get one chambered for it. From Mauser’s own website for the Mauser 18, you can get it in the following: .223 Rem., .243 Win., .270 Win., 6,5x55 SE, 6.5 PRC, 6,5 Creedmoor, .308 Win., .30-06 Spring., 7x57, 8x57 IS, 9,3x62, 7mm Rem. Mag., .300 Win. Mag., 8,5x55 Blaser. [MAUSER 18 Standard | 80112498](https://www.mauser.com/en/MAUSER-18-Standard/80112498) Same for the Mauser 12 and 98. ---
**Author:** ![MagicEyes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@MagicEyes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MagicEyes)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/404 "2025-09-11T16:02:41Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > I didnt know any of that about him. > It was just the gruesomeness of it being so public and awful ( I did not view it) and the babies with no dad. > It got to me. I feel much worse about the school shooting that happened on the same day, which didn’t get any attention from the upper levels of our government. > [@Cervaise](#): > > So. An evil man is dead. It won’t make any major difference to anything, but an evil man is dead. How is that not a good thing? Yep. > [@BlankSlate](#): > > They had had a moment of silence at Yankees stadium before last night’s game, with a picture of Kirk up on the scoreboard. I feel like I’m going to puke. 🙄 This is ridiculous. We should be doing this every time there’s another school shooting. ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/405 "2025-09-11T16:11:19Z")
It’s 63 mm long (when NATO adopted the .30-06, it was named 7.62x63 here on the right side of the pond), or to be precise, 2.4083 inches. A little less than 2.5 inches. Yes, I’m riffing on the ridiculous precision used when Freedom unit users convert Freedom units to Metric. Why do you ask? ---
**Author:** ![ricepad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b38774/32.png) [@ricepad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ricepad)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/406 "2025-09-11T16:17:11Z")
On a continuum with “mourn” on one end and “celebrate” on the other, I’m just off center toward the “celebrate” side re: Charlie Kirk’s death. I’m absolutely at the “celebrate” end when it comes to the silencing of a hateful, spiteful, misogynist voice. Would I prefer that the silencing part happen without the death part? Yeah, I suppose. I still sleep ok. I just fear the knee-jerk to the (and from the) right. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/407 "2025-09-11T16:19:08Z")
They’re showing a photo of what must be the suspect on television now. Looks like he’s wearing a shirt with a picture of what appears to be a postage stamp with a flag and a weapon superimposed on it. Is anyone familiar with this image? ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/408 "2025-09-11T16:20:23Z")
This is the image on the shirt: [![](https://i.imgur.com/rxovN1K.png) ](https://i.imgur.com/rxovN1K.png) ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/409 "2025-09-11T16:20:27Z")
Here’s the dude (xittter link): [https://x.com/FBISaltLakeCity/status/1966169520403525760](https://x.com/FBISaltLakeCity/status/1966169520403525760) ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/410 "2025-09-11T16:20:28Z")
Almost certainly an eagle. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/411 "2025-09-11T16:20:36Z")
> [@Norse](#): > > Yes, I’m riffing on the ridiculous precision used when Freedom unit users convert Freedom units to Metric. Why do you ask? And being an asshole while not contributing anything. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/412 "2025-09-11T16:32:52Z")
Oh boy, yes, he looks very ordinary for a random guy in Utah. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/413 "2025-09-11T16:34:27Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > But you can get one chambered for it. From Mauser’s own website for the Mauser 18, you can get it in the following: .223 Rem., .243 Win., .270 Win., 6,5x55 SE, 6.5 PRC, 6,5 Creedmoor, .308 Win., .30-06 Spring., 7x57, 8x57 IS, 9,3x62, 7mm Rem. Mag., .300 Win. Mag., 8,5x55 Blaser. [MAUSER 18 Standard | 80112498](https://www.mauser.com/en/MAUSER-18-Standard/80112498) > > Same for the Mauser 12 and 98. I read somewhere - NYT? - that it was an older, imported Mauser. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/414 "2025-09-11T16:34:52Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > And being an asshole while not contributing anything. Yeah! That’s _my_ job! ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/415 "2025-09-11T16:37:18Z")
A lot of European Mausers left behind by German troops in 1945 were converted from 8x57 to .30-06 shortly after WW2. A little later, most of them - plus quite a few that weren’t converted to .30-06 - were converted to 7.62 NATO when NATO approved that round ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/416 "2025-09-11T16:50:56Z")
Thanx for the extensive lecture on guns. BTW, did you know that Charlie Kirk was shot? ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/417 "2025-09-11T16:54:06Z")
Oh. I really didn’t notice, even though it was all over the news all over the Western world. So really, really sorry to take off on a technical tangent EDIT: After a lot of thread participants already have started discussing technical issues ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/418 "2025-09-11T16:55:54Z")
Hey, nobody is stopping you from starting a thread about the all the different guns that are out there if the topic of _this_ thread bores you. ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/419 "2025-09-11T16:59:38Z")
Last time I checked, it was OK to go somewhat off topic in the Pit. If you’ve got a problem with that, I suggest you take it up with the Pit mods instead of junior modding the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/420 "2025-09-11T17:02:28Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Hey, nobody is stopping you from starting a thread about the all the different guns that are out there if the topic of _this_ thread bores you. Thanx for the extensive lecture on board etiquette. BTW, did you know that Charlie Kirk was shot _by a gun_? The type of gun that Norse was talking about? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=22)