# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/441 "2025-09-11T17:57:11Z")
Here’s the map of where the shooter was. Various sources are describing it as anywhere from 140 to 200 yards. I took a ruler to Google Maps, and it looked like 150 yards to me. [![](https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2720288/where-charlie-kirk-was-shot.jpg) ](https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2720288/where-charlie-kirk-was-shot.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/442 "2025-09-11T18:07:01Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > a son who turned 1 in May Apparently TV news is the one place you’re allowed to give a one-year-old’s age in years instead of months. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/443 "2025-09-11T18:24:22Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > This will neither lessen or increase the chance of that happening, and it ignores the fact that it has already happened. Who is the assassinated liberal commentator you’re referring to? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/444 "2025-09-11T18:31:09Z")
I didn’t, did I? ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/445 "2025-09-11T18:34:45Z")
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**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/446 "2025-09-11T18:34:45Z")
From _The New Yorker._ > **[MAGA Reacts to the Assassination of Charlie Kirk](https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/maga-reacts-to-the-assassination-of-charlie-kirk)** > > In Washington, D.C., and online, people mourned the right-wing activist—and some called for vengeance. I’d forgotten that he was the guy who denounced gun violence on this one famous occasion: > The video snippet of Kirk that I remember most is from an event in Idaho, when a supporter asked him when they could finally use their guns. It was 2021. “We’re living under corporate and medical fascism,” the man said. “This is tyranny. When do we get to use the guns? And that’s not a joke—I’m not saying it like that. I mean, literally, where’s the line? How many elections are they going to steal before we kill these people?” Kirk told the audience to stop cheering. “I’m going to denounce that, and I’m going to tell you why. Because you’re playing into all their plans, and they’re trying to make you do this. That’s O.K. Just hear me out. . . . What I’m saying is we have a very fragile balance right now at our current time where we must exhaust every single peaceful mean possible. I will say this. Idaho has not even started to exercise the peaceful means of state sovereignty against the federal government. Not even close. I’ll give you five things Idaho could do right now.” He asked, “Why don’t we start to use that muscle peacefully?” ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/447 "2025-09-11T18:38:26Z")
Yeah, it would have been ridiculous for someone who opposes Kirk to wear a T-shirt identifying himself as someone who opposes Kirk. The shooter would logically want to blend in. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/448 "2025-09-11T18:39:41Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > I’d forgotten that he was the guy who denounced gun violence on this one famous occasion The problem is, he was also the guy who spent more than a decade deliberately creating an environment in which a person can openly say, “When do we get to use the guns? And that’s not a joke”, without anyone being shocked or even mildly surprised by that. And note, when he “denounced” gun violence, he claimed it was because “That’s what the Democrats want us to do.” Even as he was denouncing violence, he was again demonizing the Democrats in front of a large audience. ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/449 "2025-09-11T18:43:23Z")
I had the impression that (according to you) we shouldn’t discuss technical issues here? ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/450 "2025-09-11T18:44:07Z")
More from Charlie Kirk’s Greatest Hits: > “It is so materially insane to think that 1 in 5 American women will be raped in their life … meaning that they’re lying about being raped, that they’re lying about being sexually assaulted. Like a fraternity guy and a sorority girl at age 19 hooking up, both five drinks in at 2 a.m. and all of a sudden, like, she removes consent. Yeah, like, that’s a murky, middle gray area.” > > (Of former TV personality Joy Reid, former first lady Michelle Obama, late Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee and Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson): “They’re coming out, and they’re saying, ‘I’m only here because of affirmative action.’ Yeah, we know. You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to be taken somewhat seriously.” ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/451 "2025-09-11T18:49:04Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Was he in the crowd, or off in the woods when he shot Kirk, and approximately how far away was he? He was on the roof of a building 140ish yards away. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/452 "2025-09-11T18:51:05Z")
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**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/453 "2025-09-11T18:52:03Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > > [@Czarcasm](#): > > > > > [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > > > > > A liberal commentator will be shot before very long, it’s just a matter of time. We’re in a different world now. > > > > This will neither lessen or increase the chance of that happening, and it ignores the fact that it has already happened. > > Who is the assassinated liberal commentator you’re referring to? > [@Czarcasm](#): > > I didn’t, did I? You did say that @HMS_Irruncible’s statement that _A liberal commentator will be shot before very long, it’s just a matter of time_ ignored the fact that “it” has already happened. @HMS_Irruncible is quite reasonable in reading “it” to mean “the assassination of a liberal commentator”. In fact, I’m not sure how _else_ it could be read. So I would say that you did, in fact, say so. ---
**Author:** ![ratatoskK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ratatoskk/32/2987_2.png) [@ratatoskK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ratatoskK)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/454 "2025-09-11T18:54:58Z")
A good description of what he stood for: > **[May All Your Wishes Be Granted: Charlie Kirk and the Curse He Wrote for Himself](https://jillybeanmonet.substack.com/p/may-all-your-wishes-be-granted-charlie)** > > When You Beg for Blood Long Enough, Don’t Whine When You’re the One Bleeding Out. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/455 "2025-09-11T19:01:28Z")
CNN conservative commentator Scott Jennings called Jimmy Carter an egotistical antisemite the day after he died, didn’t apologize, and wasn’t fired. > **[CNN’s Scott Jennings trashes Jimmy Carter, accuses him of ‘dabbling in...](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/scott-jennings-cnn-jimmy-carter-antisemitism-b2672101.html)** > > “And if it’s possible, I think he was even a worse ex-president because of his meddling in U.S. foreign policy, because of his saddling up to dictators around the world,” Scott Jennings declared about Jimmy Carter on Monday night. But he gave an emotional on-air eulogy for Charlie Kirk. > **[Scott Jennings Gets Choked Up Over Charlie Kirk in On-Air Eulogy](https://www.thedailybeast.com/scott-jennings-chokes-up-about-charlie-kirk-in-on-air-eulogy/)** > > The 31-year-old Turning Point USA founder had “guts” to do what he did, Jennings said. Free speech only works in one direction in this country. Today I was at a church 9/11 cookout for first responders and we were talking about the shooting. I said Kirk was a bad guy, but that he didn’t deserve to be killed. A cop challenged me on that, asking what he said that was so bad, and I gave him the Greatest Hits. “Wouldn’t he want _all_ pilots to be qualified?” “Yes, but he was talking specifically about Black pilots.” And so on. He wouldn’t budge. ---
**Author:** ![Ancient\_Nerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed655f/32.png) [@Ancient\_Nerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ancient_Nerd)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/456 "2025-09-11T19:02:34Z")
Let’s avoid turning this guy into a martyr. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/457 "2025-09-11T19:13:56Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > There are definitely folks at the range who consistently hit from 300 yards out I was one of them. We had a match in Guam against the COMNAVMARIANAS shooting team and trounced them at 200, 300, and 500 yards. The latter was very difficult, even prone. > [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Let’s say you zero-in your rifle at 200 yards at a gun range. If you later shoot at 200 yards, but the target is downhill or uphill, you will no longer be zeroed - you will shoot _high_. Exactly. And a single shot weapon isn’t a poor choice, as you’re unlikely to get off more than one shot in that situation (look at the attempt on Trump, where the shooter, after the first miss, just did a spray and pray, as Trump was covered by then). ---
**Author:** ![Quint](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/76d3ee/32.png) [@Quint](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quint)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/458 "2025-09-11T19:15:02Z")
The shooter clearly came from the future on a mission to change his present. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/459 "2025-09-11T19:17:04Z")
Maybe he was one of the assassins from _Looper._ ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/460 "2025-09-11T19:35:23Z")
> [@Quint](#): > > The shooter clearly came from the future on a mission to change his present. My thought was he was a Romulan. One of Charlie’s future children was going to have a descendant named “James Tiberius”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=24)