# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/641 "2025-09-12T12:16:02Z")
I’ve seen a [completely different picture](https://bsky.app/profile/deviantollam.bsky.social/post/3lyl45smlps2u) of a bullet with supposed “Trantifa” (transgender + antifa) ideology inscribed on it. Which was again, just the manufacturer markings. It seems to be a conspiracy theory percolating through the right wing social media system right now. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s where the idea came from in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/642 "2025-09-12T12:28:32Z")
It is insanely irresponsible for police or any media source to classify a few vague letters and numbers as “trans” or “antifascist” ideology at a time when the fascists are just itching for some sort of target for violent retaliation. The sort of connections they are claimed to be making are q-anon hidden symbols level bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/643 "2025-09-12T12:31:01Z")
[Our Stroke-Victim-in-Chief called into Fox & Friends to say they’re pretty sure they have the suspect in custody.](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5500323-kirk-shooting-suspect-custody-trump/) ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/644 "2025-09-12T12:33:39Z")
[![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/t_ux_5CcleM/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEmCOADEOgC8quKqQMa8AEB-AG-AoAC8AGKAgwIABABGFogYChlMA8=&rs=AOn4CLB8oFmkpiLD6s22dRiJEIsyDs8VYw "Fargo- Dealer Plates") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_ux_5CcleM) ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/645 "2025-09-12T12:35:36Z")
You gotta hand it to Trump’s doj - they’ve caught 10 out of the last 2 assassins. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/646 "2025-09-12T12:35:45Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I saw this picture that the freaking WSJ of the “bullet casing with trans ideology” posted, and apparently it’s just the manufacturers markings……….. I saw the actual blurb in the WSJ, and it did not include that photo. That was added by someone on X. The WSJ blurb also didn’t directly make any claims about what the casing said, and just quoted “an early bulletin circulated widely among law enforcement officials.” ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/647 "2025-09-12T12:38:50Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I saw the actual blurb in the WSJ, and it did not include that photo. Yeah, I think that’s “Kate Bush’s Husband’s” addition. I saw the same screenshot of the same Twitter post posted to a pretty far left Discord I’m on yesterday, but I’m pretty sure the person who posted it was joking. (I’m only “pretty” sure because young people on Discord tend to have at least 3 or 4 layers of irony going at all times). ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/648 "2025-09-12T12:42:22Z")
> [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > You gotta hand it to Trump’s doj - they’ve caught 10 out of the last 2 assassins. Love it! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/649 "2025-09-12T12:46:10Z")
From NYT’s live updates: > [@](#): > > Mr. Trump offered few details in an interview with “Fox and Friends.” But he said that a minister who is a member of law enforcement had communicated with the father of a suspect in the shooting and that the person was turned in to the authorities. A law enforcement official confirmed the details of the president’s remarks, adding that a man had been taken into custody around 11 p.m. Thursday by Utah state and local police. > > The official, who requested anonymity to discuss details of the investigation, said that federal authorities were not releasing the person’s name because they were still pursuing leads and executing search warrants. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/650 "2025-09-12T12:48:47Z")
If Trump told Fox they got the guy, and he was some sort of anti-fascist or minority, there’s no way Trump would sit on that information and not immediately start blabbing it to everyone. That suggests (although far from proves) he might be a right wing type. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/651 "2025-09-12T12:49:27Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Our Stroke-Victim-in-Chief called into Fox & Friends to say they’re pretty sure they have the suspect in custody He didn’t call in. He is live on-air with them. He couldn’t wait for an official announcement, of course. He wants the glory. Also, did you know he has solved everything? Everything. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/652 "2025-09-12T13:15:00Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > How big of a coincidence is it, really? Gun violence has got to be one of the most popular topics to challenge Kirk on. > > The guy he was talking to was from the Unfuck America Tour, I highly doubt he was a lunatic involved with the other lunatic who shot Kirk. I’ve seen a few posts on Facebook purporting to show two men who were standing right behind Kirk making some mysterious “hand signals” in the seconds before he was shot. No one says anything more than “this should be investigated,” but the implication seems to be that they were somehow signaling to the shooter. I think some people are trying to vaguely suggest that the timing was not a coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/653 "2025-09-12T13:15:42Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > The WSJ is moderately economically right wing… I’d say the WSJ is solidly in the middle BUT its Op-Ed pages are weirdly super right-wing. Make of that what you will. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/654 "2025-09-12T13:16:08Z")
It’s difficult to come up with a more fitting tribute for a fallen man who was an ardent free speech advocate. Oh. Wait… ---
**Author:** ![P-man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/p-man/32/3606_2.png) [@P-man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/P-man)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/655 "2025-09-12T13:16:50Z")
I may be missing something here, but the person in the photo has no rifle. Did the person on film jumping off the building have one? If not, how did the rifle make it into the woods? ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/656 "2025-09-12T13:25:05Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I guess the issue is, with a bolt action rifle meant to take one and maybe two shots as an assassin (doubt you would get more than two), how much effort is there in collecting the cases? The reason for casing control is not so much about evidence control, but in not giving your position away by having a shiny casing flying through the air, catching the sun, pinging around just as everyone’s head is swiveling around to see where the shot came from. A brass catcher would be equally effective, if you’re able to obtain a suitable one. That might not be easy if it’s a hastily conceived plan, or the rifle is nonstandard for whatever reason (maybe grandpa’s untraceable hand-me-down). ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/657 "2025-09-12T13:29:08Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Chatgpt says Nobody fucking cares. Respectfully. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/658 "2025-09-12T13:30:10Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > I’ve seen a few posts on Facebook purporting to show two men who were standing right behind Kirk making some mysterious “hand signals” in the seconds before he was shot. No one says anything more than “this should be investigated,” but the implication seems to be that they were somehow signaling to the shooter. I saw a “Hindustan Times” article talking about that (I think they collect internet conspiracies and put them out as articles sometimes? Although they seemed skeptical too) but it all seemed like horse crap. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/659 "2025-09-12T13:33:57Z")
Oh, I have no doubt it’s nonsense. I mean, the “hand signals” are that one guy adjusts his baseball cap, and the other crosses his arms. Clearly a secret message! But it’s an idea that’s out there. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/660 "2025-09-12T13:34:18Z")
Oh shut the fuck up. It cited media bias organizations and what they rated WSJ as. It was a perfectly good use of AI to quickly verify something and it’s hardly any different than if I posted a citation that stated the same basic fact. It was relevant to the discussion. You apparently just have a bug up your ass so if anyone says the word chatgpt you have to come in and try to shame them. All I said was that the WSJ was reasonably mainstream reality-based media so you wouldn’t expect the absolutely insane and irresponsible reporting about the “trans and antifascist ideology” based on nothing. It’s so fucking stupid to jump down my throat about it. Oh, they have some right wing op eds, so of course they’re completely delusional about reality and get people to try to attack trans people all the fucking time! Only a fool could think the WSJ would ever tell the truth! Fuck off with that shit. It sounds like they were just reporting what the police were saying so the police may be the irresponsible ones here, or they may actually have “transgender and antifascists ideology” that they haven’t shared with anyone. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=34)