# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/701 "2025-09-12T15:59:21Z")
Judging from the result…………….. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/702 "2025-09-12T16:08:10Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > All of the “moments of silence” honoring the dude are insane, by the way. Yeah, Trump ordering the flags to be lowered to half-staff is also going too far. Flags should be flown at half-staff for the death of a government official, member of the military, or an LOE killed in the line of duty. Charlie Kirk did not qualify for this honor. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/703 "2025-09-12T16:12:06Z")
As if conspiracies aren’t wild enough, some are claiming it was staged and hes still alive. Um, no. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/704 "2025-09-12T16:12:39Z")
Remorse… over… what? ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/705 "2025-09-12T16:21:11Z")
There has been discussion in the media that some lack remorse over Kirks’ death. I’d say that describes it well ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/706 "2025-09-12T16:23:56Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > …they have some right wing op eds, so of course they’re completely delusional about reality and get people to try to attack trans people all the fucking time! Only a fool could think the WSJ would ever tell the truth! WSJ Op-Ed pages are always scarily right-wing…very, very conservative. That said, their reporting is almost universally neutral to maybe a bit left leaning. It’s a weird dichotomy. I think their reporting is some of the best of main-stream media in terms of fairness. Just skip the Op-Ed pages (unless you are deeply conservative in which case you’d probably like it). Their articles, I think, are trustworthy (with the caveat there is always a bias, use your judgement when reading). ETA: General “you.” ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/707 "2025-09-12T16:26:52Z")
I don’t know what you’re getting at. Remorse is something someone feels at having done something wrong. I certainly didn’t kill the dude nor have I said anything in these threads that I think was inappropriate so I have no idea what you think I’m supposed to regret. What you quoted I stand behind. I don’t know what I’m supposed to feel remorseful about. He was a piece of shit. They are trying to lionize him. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/708 "2025-09-12T16:29:13Z")
I agree. We are among those who feel no remorse for the loss of Charlie Kirk. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/709 "2025-09-12T16:38:12Z")
Robinson could use homicide justified by the fact that Kirk was a danger to the Constitution and the American way of life as his defense. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/710 "2025-09-12T16:39:51Z")
That would be co-opting the strategy of the current Republican party, though. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/711 "2025-09-12T16:40:54Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > I agree. We are among those who feel no remorse for the loss of Charlie Kirk. One doesn’t feel remorse over a loss. One feels remorse over an action one now regrets having committed or failed to commit. Most of us, probably all of us, had absolutely nothing to do with Kirk’s death, and had no way we could possibly have prevented it. We are incapable of feeling remorse because of the meaning of the word “remorse”. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/712 "2025-09-12T16:41:08Z")
Might expose the whole thing. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/713 "2025-09-12T16:43:27Z")
The information silos seem to be nearly perfect; otherwise, I think a much larger number of Republicans would have taken issue with Trump’s active effort to overthrow the legitimately-elected US government. I liken the current milieu to a criminal jury trial, but half the jurors sleep through the prosecution’s case, and the other half sleep through the defense’s case. Little progress is made in jury deliberations, where each half has absolutely no idea how the other half even believes what it does. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/714 "2025-09-12T16:43:52Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > But then he went to college, and was radicalized by “the liberals” It’s a small college in that liberal bastion of Utah that touted open (or “constitutional”, as they call it) carry and had no issues with having Charlie Kirk speak there. That’d be one heck of a place to get radicalized by leftists. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/715 "2025-09-12T16:46:07Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Little progress is made in jury deliberations, where each half has absolutely no idea how the other half even believes what it does. That is the empathy that Kirk sought to destroy. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/716 "2025-09-12T16:47:13Z")
Robinson attended [**Utah State University**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_State_University), while the shooting occurred at [**Utah Valley University**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Valley_University) [**CITE**](https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/12/us/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect-invs) ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/717 "2025-09-12T16:57:12Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > It’s a weird dichotomy. I think their reporting is some of the best of main-stream media in terms of fairness. Just skip the Op-Ed pages (unless you are deeply conservative in which case you’d probably like it). Their articles, I think, are trustworthy (with the caveat there is always a bias, use your judgement when reading). If you are trying to run a business (or do anything else financial), you need good, accurate reporting. The WSJ has generally been that and the dichotomy between what gets published as news and what gets published as opinion has always been there, even before it was acquired by Murdoch. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/718 "2025-09-12T16:59:30Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > I liken the current milieu to a criminal jury trial, but half the jurors sleep through the prosecution’s case, and the other half sleep through the defense’s case. Except it’s not like that. I’ve had discussions with a couple of our local Canadian Trumpers, and every time, I’ve heard every line of bullshit they use to justify Trump, and they’ve never heard word one about the things I have to tell them about Trump. And they weren’t minor obscure details, either. The big pro-union working guy had never heard about Trump routinely screwing over people who did work for him. The guy who wanted a “businessman president” had never heard about Trump’s many bankruptcies. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/719 "2025-09-12T17:03:43Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Except it’s not like that. I’ve had discussions with a couple of our local Canadian Trumpers, and every time, I’ve heard every line of bullshit they use to justify Trump, and they’ve never heard word one about the things I have to tell them about Trump. That’s exactly what I’m saying. Though, to put a finer point on it and maybe frame it better … I have a beloved brother who’s a Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, MAGA hat guy. I can always refrain from talking politics. He can’t. Unfortunately, the way I’ve taken to ending the conversation is by reminding him of one simple fact: I read and watch news from NO END of different sources, from all parts of the political spectrum. He doesn’t. So … as I occasionally remind him … I know everything that he knows, while he knows HALF of what I know. And everything that we’ve learned from the Dominion/Fox News lawsuit takes that to a dramatically worse level. When I can get the conversation to come down to issues of fact, I always have the facts correct, and they always support my position. Most of the time, it’s a reflection of what his favored media outlets DIDN’T tell him (lies of omission). Maybe my analogy should have pointed to half the jury who slept through one side’s case, while the other half heard it all. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/720 "2025-09-12T17:04:56Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Maybe my analogy should have pointed to half the jury who slept through one side’s case, while the other half heard it all. Yes, that would have been better. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=37)