# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/721 "2025-09-12T17:19:22Z")
So now that it appears that the gunman was not a flaming liberal, how long before this dies out as a main stream topic? My guess is two days. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/722 "2025-09-12T17:24:18Z")
A little tidbit about the shooter from the New York Times: > The 22-year-old man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk was listed in Utah voting records as unaffiliated with a political party. The records noted that he was considered “inactive,” suggesting that he did not vote in the November presidential election, the first since he turned 18. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4bbf92/32.png) [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Hamsandwich)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/723 "2025-09-12T17:39:47Z")
> [@MagicEyes](#): > > 🙄 This is ridiculous. We should be doing this every time there’s another school shooting. Constant, 24 hour coverage, by any and all news outlets that agree to cooperate and coordinate whenever and wherever there is a mass shooting. Even the most hardened 2nd Amendment flag-wearing, gun-toting ‘Murican would wither under that media storm. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/724 "2025-09-12T17:46:54Z")
I apologize for the delay-inundated by a doubling of the workload (not a good time to be working for a public school system, I’m afraid). Liberal spokesperson and Minnesota State Representative Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark were brutally gunned down in their home by right-wing nutcase Vance Luther Boelter, in January of this year. Earlier that day he put State Senator John Hoffman and his wife Yvette in the hospital while trying to kill them in their own home. By the way, she didn’t get any medals and Trump didn’t even suggest that flags be lowered on her behalf. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/725 "2025-09-12T17:54:18Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Except it’s not like that. I’ve had discussions with a couple of our local Canadian Trumpers, and every time, I’ve heard every line of bullshit they use to justify Trump, and they’ve never heard word one about the things I have to tell them about Trump. That’s been my experience with MAGA here in the United States. They’ll either claim to have never heard about something or they’ll just say it’s fake news. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > And it’s kind of funny that the fucking right is so radicalized that even the people who go after right wing figures are still on the right. I think it was 2024, sometime before the election, one of the Democratic representatives in the House said to her Republican colleagues something like, “You guys are so distrustful of the government that you don’t even trust each other.” She was referring to the Republican’s inability to govern in a functioning manner because of all the infighting. These days I tend to think of the Republicans as willing to tear anyone apart who doesn’t toe the line exactly and that includes eating themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/726 "2025-09-12T17:54:22Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I apologize for the delay-inundated by a doubling of the workload (not a good time to be working for a public school system, I’m afraid). Not fun - best of luck with that. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Liberal spokesperson and Minnesota State Representative Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark were brutally gunned down in their home by right-wing nutcase Vance Luther Boelter, in January of this year. Earlier that day he put State Senator John Hoffman and his wife Yvette in the hospital while trying to kill them in their own home. Yes, I am aware - it’s extremely disgusting, and the way that Trump left them off his list of victims of political violence is the height of hypocrisy. If that’s who you meant, why did you respond to @HMS_Irruncible asking which liberal commentators you were talking about by saying that you didn’t say that a liberal commentator had already been killed? > [@Czarcasm](#): > > I didn’t, did I? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/727 "2025-09-12T18:05:27Z")
I apologize because at first I thought that that they were looking for a person that was primarily a left-wing commentator, and she was a elected official first and a commentator second, although it was her popularity as a commentator on the issues that might have made her a target. This was the first chance I had to clarify what I meant. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/728 "2025-09-12T18:07:14Z")
Gotcha, that makes sense! Thanks for the clarification. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/729 "2025-09-12T18:09:54Z")
On the bullet casings, per the press conference: Fired bullet: “Notices bulges owo whats this?” Other unfired cases: “hey fascist! Catch! Uparrow, right arrow, three down arrow” “O bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao” “If you read this you are gay lmao” These mostly seem to be online/gaming memes. A lot of pictures of the kid with his family, no surprises; lots of guns, Trump support, and an aunt who posted “protestors should be shot.” ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/730 "2025-09-12T18:14:09Z")
Well the antifascist one is enough to blame the libs. Certainly no evidence that he was trans. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/731 "2025-09-12T18:18:21Z")
Oh sure, they’ll find a way. Though if it’s the bella ciao, apparently the Nick Fuentes/groyper brigade has been adopting it facetiously, which might explain some unstable kid latching onto it while killing Kirk…but who knows. Honestly, my first reaction was simply ‘thank god it wasn’t actually a trans kid’. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/732 "2025-09-12T18:20:15Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Well the antifascist one is enough to blame the libs. In bad faith, but what are you going to do? Helldivers is satirical. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/733 "2025-09-12T18:24:47Z")
[Moderating] @ekedolphin, I’ve removed most of your post quoting “A Mighty Girl,” as it violates the fair use provision in copyright. If you’d like, I can edit in a direct link to the original source if you can provide one. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Frilly\_Heck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/90ced4/32.png) [@Frilly\_Heck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frilly_Heck)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/734 "2025-09-12T18:27:55Z")
[the groypers sure seem to think Charlie Kirk was killed by a groyper](https://bsky.app/profile/iwriteok.bsky.social/post/3lynr6a6hhs2y) (link to a post from Robert Evans on BlueSky showing shared screenshots of groypers discussing the shooter) ETA: This doesn’t prove anything about his identity, but it’s an interesting facet of the story. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/735 "2025-09-12T18:32:29Z")
“The call is coming from inside the house.” ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/736 "2025-09-12T18:37:21Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Honestly, my first reaction was simply ‘thank god it wasn’t actually a trans kid’. Similarly, my first thought was, “thank god it was a white Christian man”. ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/737 "2025-09-12T18:48:18Z")
Exactly my sentiments when we learned that the 22 July terrorist was a white, homegrown dude. But the racists had already beaten up a few browns, because of course it was a brown moosleem who had murdered a bunch of kids. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/738 "2025-09-12T19:05:15Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Similarly, my first thought was, “thank god it was a white Christian man”. A true MAGAt will tell you that Mormons aren’t real Christians. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/739 "2025-09-12T19:10:41Z")
> [@Frilly\_Heck](#): > > (link to a post from Robert Evans on BlueSky showing shared screenshots of groypers discussing the shooter) > > ETA: This doesn’t prove anything about his identity, but it’s an interesting facet of the story. Look at the section on “Groyper War”. > **[Groypers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers)** > > The Groypers, sometimes called the Groyper Army, are a group of alt-right, white nationalist, and Christian nationalist activists led by Nick Fuentes. Members of the group have attempted to introduce alt-right politics into mainstream conservatism in the United States and participated in the January 6 United States Capitol attack and the protests leading up to it. They have targeted other conservative groups and individuals whose agendas they view as too moderate and insufficiently nationalis... ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/740 "2025-09-12T19:20:12Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Look at the section on “Groyper War”. I wound love it if this turns out to be a case of the alt right eating its own. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=38)