# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/741 "2025-09-12T19:33:43Z")
Nick Fuentes is preaching calm and all the GOP attack dogs have climbed off the “all libs into the camps” talk. Curious. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/742 "2025-09-12T19:35:59Z")
The internet is starting to do its thing. His mom had pictures of her toting rifles on her social media, and he dressed up as a right wing meme (that weird frog, in a jacket) for Halloween. I think one of his relatives had posted that protesters should be shot. The discussion about this guy’s motivations is going to be fascinating. The right wing is going to be tied into such knots. ---
**Author:** ![Frilly\_Heck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/90ced4/32.png) [@Frilly\_Heck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frilly_Heck)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/743 "2025-09-12T19:38:51Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > he dressed up as a right wing meme (that weird frog, in a jacket) for Halloween. Just fyi, the Pepe (weird frog) in a jacket squatting is a subset of the [slav squat](https://emerging-europe.com/culture-travel-sport/squatting-slavs-one-of-the-internets-best-known-memes-is-evolving/), which has been around for a long time. He was probably not dressed as Pepe, just doing the slav squat meme in a more general way. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/744 "2025-09-12T19:44:52Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > and he dressed up as a right wing meme (that weird frog, in a jacket) That weird frog in a jacket is named Groyper. ---
**Author:** ![Frilly\_Heck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/90ced4/32.png) [@Frilly\_Heck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frilly_Heck)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/745 "2025-09-12T19:46:38Z")
I thought Groyper was a _different_ weird frog – pudgier. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/746 "2025-09-12T19:48:12Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > That weird frog in a jacket is named Groyper. The weird frog in a jacket is named Pepe. When Pepe is drawn fat and interlocks his fingers or whatever, _that_ is Groyper. From your own link: > [@](#): > > Groyper > Main article: Groyper > A variation of Pepe known as “Groyper” or “Easter Toad” was used as early as 2015, and became popular in 2017.[111] Groyper is depicted as a rotund green, frog-like creature with its chin resting on interlocked fingers.[111][112] There is some disagreement around the specifics of Groyper: it has been described as a depiction of the Pepe character,[112] a different character from Pepe but of the same species,[113] or a toad.[111] The Groyper meme is the namesake for Groypers, a loose group of white nationalist activists and followers of Nick Fuentes.[111][112][114] > [@Frilly\_Heck](#): > > I thought Groyper was a _different_ weird frog – pudgier. Correct. Groyper is fat Pepe. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/747 "2025-09-12T19:48:55Z")
The guy’s father is apparently a 3%er. > **[Word for the day: Groyper](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/9/12/2343172/-Word-for-the-day-Groyper?utm_campaign=recent)** > > Groypers per Wiki The Groypers, sometimes called the Groyper Army, are a group of alt-right, white nationalist, and Christian nationalist\[5\] activists led by Nick Fuentes. Members of the group have attempted to introduce alt-right politics into... ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/748 "2025-09-12T19:49:17Z")
Wrong link? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/749 "2025-09-12T19:52:46Z")
No. . ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/750 "2025-09-12T19:53:29Z")
What’s also fascinating is looking at the _criticism_ that Charlie Kirk was getting on the right before his assassination. There are some serious 180 turnarounds going on. Nick Fuentes in particular was excoriating him just a few weeks ago. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/751 "2025-09-12T19:56:28Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Wrong link? The link shows Robinson sitting with his dad, and asserts that the dad is wearing a 3% shirt. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/752 "2025-09-12T19:59:26Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > The link shows Robinson sitting with his dad, and asserts that the dad is wearing a 3% shirt Sorry, I opened the > [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > No Gotcha, I was confused because the title of the page was just “Word of the day: Groyper” and then it defined Groypers. I didn’t realize the relevant bit was there if I keep scrolling. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/753 "2025-09-12T20:02:49Z")
Go down into the comments to see him posing with some sort of heavy machine gun on a tripod. ---
**Author:** ![MagicEyes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@MagicEyes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MagicEyes)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/754 "2025-09-12T20:05:41Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > The discussion about this guy’s motivations is going to be fascinating. The right wing is going to be tied into such knots. They’ll just ignore it and pretend it never happened. It might not seem possible, but Nick Fuentes is even worse than Charlie Kirk. Is there some deserted island where we can send all of these people who don’t want to live in a society with people who are different from them? The rest of us shouldn’t have to be around them. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/755 "2025-09-12T20:07:56Z")
> [@MagicEyes](#): > > They’ll just ignore it and pretend it never happened. Ignore what? A man’s neck exploding all over social media? This is the biggest and best _fuck you_ to Trump and this fascist regime I can think of. Let this begin some semblance of a reckoning. (I mean, a man can hope) ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/756 "2025-09-12T20:09:11Z")
What is really pissing me off is the growing number of RW posts on my social media feeds (FB & X) that are extremely indignant about people expressing happiness that Kirk is dead. For example: “If you find joy in this tragedy, you are exactly what’s wrong with the world.” Which I would agree with. However, I have yet to see ANY posts rejoicing in the fact that Kirk is dead. And I doubt that these clowns are seeing any such posts either. Instead, as usual, they’re angry at a boogeyman that doesn’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/757 "2025-09-12T20:10:09Z")
So, will the father get the reward for turning him in? ---
**Author:** ![MagicEyes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@MagicEyes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MagicEyes)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/758 "2025-09-12T20:10:55Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Ignore what? A man’s neck exploding all over social media? They are very good at ignoring anything that conflicts with their version of reality. Including Trump’s years-long close friendship with Epstein. So yes, they will find a way to ignore this–maybe not that Charlie Kirk got shot, but that he didn’t get shot by the kind of person they want to blame for it. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/759 "2025-09-12T20:16:20Z")
There are plenty of celebratory posts on Reddit. But…..the angle I’d use with right-wingers is, “Spare the crocodile tears; don’t pretend that there isn’t a great deal of celebration by you folks whenever a progressive is killed.” ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/760 "2025-09-12T20:17:51Z")
Complete nutjob Laura Loomer was attacking him just two months ago for being insufficiently Trump supporting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=39)