# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/781 "2025-09-12T23:43:17Z")
> [@Mallard](#): > > They were hoping a gay, transgender, card carrying Democrat of colour was the shooter A Democratic leaning illegal immigrant would have been even better. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/782 "2025-09-12T23:43:40Z")
Yeah, I’m not sure it’s that he wanted the shooter to be a non-Utahn as he wanted it to be the right kind of shooter. It wouldn’t have looked good to be a white right-leaning Christian male from outside of Utah either. ---
**Author:** ![Mallard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Mallard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mallard)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/783 "2025-09-12T23:53:38Z")
That shooter was on the grassy knoll. 🫣 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/784 "2025-09-12T23:55:51Z")
> [@Mallard](#): > > They were hoping a gay, transgender, card carrying Democrat of colour was the shooter, not a gun crazed, Republican, white Morman family’s kid. That Utah governor was reduced to tears over that turn of events. Okay, but was anyone in this thread not spending some time over the last two days hoping that the shooter was _not_ any of those things? I sure as fuck was. I can’t really get angry at a guy on the other side of the aisle hoping for exactly the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/785 "2025-09-12T23:56:25Z")
Perhaps the shooter was taking a play from Charles Manson and wanted to start his version of Helter Skelter. Commiting a assassination in order to pin it on the group he wanted to take the blame. The markings on the bullets are the equivalent of writing PIGS on the wall in the victims blood at the Tate-Labianca crime scenes in an effort to mislead the police. ---
**Author:** ![Kyomara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8edcca/32.png) [@Kyomara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyomara)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/786 "2025-09-13T00:03:15Z")
Why do you suspect the guy is mistaken? Why is it so fucking hard for liberals to believe that a liberal could perpetrate gun violence? Every other leftist I know is absolutely elated that Kirk got shot. Not to mention that half the liberals I know on the west coast moved here to escape families where everyone else was MAGA. Of course it’s entirely possible the gunman could be liberal or leftist. It is not a far fetched notion. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/787 "2025-09-13T00:07:03Z")
> [@Kyomara](#): > > Why is it so fucking hard for liberals to believe that a liberal could perpetrate gun violence? Oh cool, did I make that claim? ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/788 "2025-09-13T00:07:35Z")
I’m wondering why a radical leftist would leave a calling card that pointed to his team. Knowing that the fanatical right would only use it to justify vengeance. Wouldn’t be better to leave them guessing? That is unless you wanted them taking revenge. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/789 "2025-09-13T00:10:10Z")
Every liberal you know?? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/790 "2025-09-13T00:11:10Z")
How is it soooooo many murders go unsolved but when the government really wants to they can catch the bad guy in a day or two? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/791 "2025-09-13T00:11:44Z")
He turned himself in. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/792 "2025-09-13T00:12:23Z")
Really? Well, that changes things. I thought his dad turned him in. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/793 "2025-09-13T00:13:10Z")
I thought his dad convinced him to turn himself in. In either case, he wasn’t caught. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/794 "2025-09-13T00:19:10Z")
> [@Kyomara](#): > > Why is it so fucking hard for liberals to believe that a liberal could perpetrate gun violence? The main part of it is that the lion’s share of “liberals” are aware how their/our position in the present environment, aware of how very much worse our standing would be if we started acting out. Most “liberals” are rational in ways that RWers on average are not, and are also a bit anxious when we see how crazy the RW are. Hence, most violence is simply not going to be “liberals” due to the rationality divide ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/795 "2025-09-13T00:22:07Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Oh shut the fuck up. It cited media bias organizations and what they rated WSJ as. Nah, I’ve thought this over, and actually… fuck you. Like ChatGPT never hallucinates a source? Are you for fucking real right now? If ChatGPT said the world is round, I still wouldn’t fucking quote it as saying so. Again, it is not a reliable source, and you’re a fucking dumbass if you think it is. If it _does_ cite a source, then the thing to do is _go to the source_, verify the source _actually says what ChatGPT claims it does_, and quote _the actual source_. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/796 "2025-09-13T00:24:45Z")
> **[Far-right violence a growing threat and law enforcement's top domestic...](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/far-right-violence-a-growing-threat-and-law-enforcements-top-domestic-terrorism-concern)** > > The Proud Boys played a critical part in carrying out the Jan. 6 attack, but the group is just one part of a trend of increased white supremacist and far-right violence. Top U.S. law enforcement officials say those extremist movements are the biggest... > The Proud Boys played a critical part in carrying out the Jan. 6 attack, but the group is just one part of a trend of increased white supremacist and far-right violence. Top U.S. law enforcement officials say those extremist movements are the biggest domestic terrorism threat facing the country. Laura Barrón-López discussed the rise of far-right extremism with Kathleen Belew and Seamus Hughes. Of course, that does not mean liberals do not own guns or that liberals will not shoot people they do not like. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/797 "2025-09-13T00:29:39Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Okay, but was anyone in this thread not spending some time over the last two days hoping that the shooter was _not_ any of those things? I sure as fuck was. I can’t really get angry at a guy on the other side of the aisle hoping for exactly the same thing. I can when they’re looking to target me and mine because of it. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/798 "2025-09-13T00:30:57Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Like ChatGPT never hallucinates a source? This argument is probably best for another thread but, to be sure, any cite you make here might be wrong. A peer reviewed paper is probably best but a link to a web site…it depends. Is the web site reliable. Do they have links to sources that validate what they are saying? In short, AI is kind of a super search engine. Google on steroids. You can certainly dispute what the person is saying but I am not sure yelling “AI” means what was said is instantly worthless. Refute the person with your own facts. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/799 "2025-09-13T00:32:44Z")
> [@Kyomara](#): > > Why do you suspect the guy is mistaken? Why is it so fucking hard for liberals to believe that a liberal could perpetrate gun violence? Sure, he could be. But I think this is one of those times where the general demographics of this board regarding age and interests is coming into play. I’m probably one of the youngest old timers here (holy hell, how has it been 23 years?), am fairly active in various scenes with younger Millennials and Zoomers, mostly know who all these people and references and memes are, and I’m still somewhat behind on some of it. That said, from what I do know of the culture, I still see someone closer to a groyper than someone on the left. The dude was doing the equivalent of shitposting with the reported messages and probably realized real fast once the trigger was pulled that he’d just done something that could never be undone and hadn’t really gotten to that point mentally in all his planning before that. Because if your time is spent on various corners of the internet talking and gaming and shitposting, it’s easy to talk a big game and make radical comments without ever doing more. At best his politics are probably a muddled mess of ideas. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/800 "2025-09-13T00:46:52Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > The Proud Boys played a critical part in carrying out the Jan. 6 attack, but the group is just one part of a trend of increased white supremacist and far-right violence. Top U.S. law enforcement officials say those extremist movements are the biggest domestic terrorism threat facing the country. Related to that and the current issue: > **[Turning Point Action](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Point_Action)** > > Turning Point Action (TPAction) is an American 501(c)(4) organization and grassroots political advocacy group who work directly with voters by providing necessary resources to elect conservative leaders. It was founded in 2019 by Charlie Kirk as the sister organization and political advocacy arm of the 501(c)(3) Turning Point USA. > Leading up to the 2024 United States presidential election, TPAction launched "Chase The Vote", It focused on deploying thousands of field organizers in key states... > On January 4, 2021, Kirk announced in a tweet that Turning Point Action would be sending more than 80 buses to a January 6, 2021, Trump [“Stop the Steal”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_The_Steal) rally near the [White House](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House) in Washington, D.C, to protest the outcome of the election.[[22]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Point_Action#cite_note-planning-22)[[23]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Point_Action#cite_note-:5-23) They sent seven buses with approximately 350 participants.[[22]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Point_Action#cite_note-planning-22) Turning Point Action also funneled money to several “Stop the Steal” rally speakers, including [Kimberly Guilfoyle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberly_Guilfoyle), but did not organize or take part in the march to the Capitol that erupted in violence.[[24]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Point_Action#cite_note-nbc_2022-06-15-24)[[25]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Point_Action#cite_note-25) Kirk later deleted the tweet[[26]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Point_Action#cite_note-80+-26) and said on his podcast that it was “bad judgment” and “not wise” to enter the Capitol but not necessarily insurrectionist.[[27]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Point_Action#cite_note-27) A Turning Point Action spokesman later said the group condemns political violence.[[23]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Point_Action#cite_note-:5-23) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=41)