# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/821 "2025-09-13T02:23:03Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I was correct to be skeptical that they would be irresponsible enough to make the jump to the “TRN = trans ideology” conclusion. To be clear, the “TRN = trans ideology” claim was bullshit. Some rando on Twitter came up with it; it isn’t true. I don’t believe those bullets actually Had TRN on them or were manufactured in Taiwan? The picture that goes with those claims is of a 9 mm bullet casing. The writing that was claimed to be trans related is the “bulge” slogan, although whether that actually has anything to do with trans people is in now serious question. But that’s where the claim came from, not “TRN” manufacturer stamps. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/822 "2025-09-13T02:25:04Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I can’t help but think of ‘It’s a gusher! It’s a gusher! Auntie Em! Auntie Em!’ I’ve always thought it was a quote from _Airplane!_, but I can’t confirm it. Twister. Aunty Em is from _The Wizard if Oz_. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/DXTx_nEThPA/maxresdefault.jpg "Airplane Landing - It's a twister") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXTx_nEThPA) ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/823 "2025-09-13T02:26:09Z")
My response to this would normally be “Karma’s a bitch” and never think about it again. But the official deification of this hate-filled creep and the scapegoating of the entire Left by Republican leaders and commentators has cost me more sleep since anything else since the election. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/824 "2025-09-13T02:33:12Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Given that the “trans ideology” report was news and not editorial, I was correct to be skeptical that they would be irresponsible enough to make the jump to the “TRN = trans ideology” conclusion. They were reporting what the police were reporting … I can’t believe I’m defending those right-wing assholes, but the reality is that in a big breaking news story, there is **always** going to be bad information as events rapidly develop. Media have to find a careful balance between possibly repeating bad information, or taking so long for thorough verification that they fall way behind their competitors. Usually the best they can do is report the information they’re being given, which properly should be with appropriate caveats, like when the university said immediately after the shooting that a suspect was in custody. Anyway my point is that the WSJ does have a right-wing ideology, and – just conjecture on my part – but I don’t imagine too many progressive journalists would be comfortable there, especially with the strongly right-wing editorial board. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/825 "2025-09-13T02:36:42Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Charlie Kirk: Good fucking riddance to you, you worthless right-wing piece of shit. I am glad you were shot, and I am glad you are dead. Quoting Star Trek: [Spock]: "There is a certain scientific logic about it.” [Anan 7 and Siam\_Sam]: I’m glad you approve. [Spock]: I do _ **not** _ approve. I _ **understand** _. ---
**Author:** ![bobsmom101](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobsmom101/32/2867_2.png) [@bobsmom101](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobsmom101)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/826 "2025-09-13T02:38:29Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > The writing that was claimed to be trans related is the “bulge” slogan, although whether that actually has anything to do with trans people is in now serious question. > **[NEW: The Messages on the Bullets are From a Video Game](https://www.muellershewrote.com/p/new-the-messages-on-the-bullets-are)** > > The phrases engraved on the bullets found by law enforcement during the investigation into the shooting of Charlie Kirk come from a video game called Helldivers2 “Helldivers2???” “Groypers??” What a weird depressing universe young Tyler was inhabiting. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/827 "2025-09-13T02:41:12Z")
Anything’s possible. Your theory wouldn’t surprise me, really. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/828 "2025-09-13T02:42:49Z")
The “Kirk as martyr” scenario grows. DC Comics is asking for all copies of Red Hood #1 to be shipped back to them because DC fired writer Gretchen Felker Martin for celebrating Kirk’s death. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/829 "2025-09-13T02:43:57Z")
> [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](#): > > news outlets that agree to cooperate and coordinate whenever and wherever there is a mass shooting. Even the most hardened 2nd Amendment flag-wearing, gun-toting ‘Murican would wither under that media storm. Oh, sweet summer child. You cannot logic someone out of a position they did not logic themselves into. Clearly you have not seen the knots they are they are capable of tying themselves into in order to reach the conclusion they prefer. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/830 "2025-09-13T02:44:16Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Twister. Aunty Em is from _The Wizard if Oz_. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/831 "2025-09-13T02:47:47Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Clearly you have not seen the knots they are they are capable of tying themselves into in order to reach the conclusion they prefer. I’ve even seen the knots the Supreme Court can tie itself into in order to assert an imaginary meaning of the Second Amendment. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/832 "2025-09-13T02:49:30Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I agree, though, that the level of celebration on the left is surprisingly low. The American left is _thoroughly_ beaten down. It doesn’t matter how happy they are, they won’t _say_ anything because they are afraid that will make them a target for the government. I can’t even call it paranoid at this point, given how Trump has been going after dissenters of all sorts. I’ve heard a lot more happiness from people overseas who are out of his reach. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/833 "2025-09-13T02:52:03Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > To be clear, the “TRN = trans ideology” claim was bullshit. Some rando on Twitter came up with it; it isn’t true. I don’t believe those bullets actually Had TRN on them or were manufactured in Taiwan? The picture that goes with those claims is of a 9 mm bullet casing. Oh I agree, I only brought it up because I said that I found it implausible to be true that the WSJ’s report was based on that image, and other people took issue with that. That’s how the WSJ discussion started. > [@wolfpup](#): > > I can’t believe I’m defending those right-wing assholes, but the reality is that in a big breaking news story, there is **always** going to be bad information as events rapidly develop. When there’s a big group looking for excuses for violence against minorities, we should be extra cautious in repeating very vague and ambiguous reports where we jump to the conclusion about meaning of things if it’s going to give them exactly what they want to incite that violence. Both the police and media are hugely irresponsible for reporting that the bulge meme is “trans ideology” ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/834 "2025-09-13T02:58:55Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > What a peculiar quote. How would that prayer be answered? Would God go back in time to change the shooter to being a crippled black blue haired lesbian trans woman? I I think some people have a sort of quantum mechanical view of unknown information that they believe can be influenced by prayer. For example praying about a test result before calling the doctor. The test is already done, the results on the doctors desk says they do or don’t have cancer, but until they actually get the news it isn’t fully determined. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/835 "2025-09-13T03:07:02Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I’ve even seen the knots the Supreme Court can tie itself into in order to assert an imaginary meaning of the Second Amendment ~~“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State~~ , the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” –Antonin Scalia ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/836 "2025-09-13T03:29:03Z")
I think this article raises some important points: > **[Charlie Kirk’s Legacy Deserves No Mourning](https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/charlie-kirk-assassination-maga/#)** > > The white Christian nationalist provocateur wasn’t a promoter of civil discourse. He preached hate, bigotry, and division ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/837 "2025-09-13T03:29:26Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > My response to this would normally be “Karma’s a bitch” and never think about it again. But the official deification of this hate-filled creep and the scapegoating of the entire Left by Republican leaders and commentators has cost me more sleep since anything else since the election. Yeah that’s how I feel too. The extreme finger pointing and the threats of civil war, over a guy who was a huge factor in this “why can’t we all just get along?” screeching the right has been doing for years. The day before this happened I caught 2 minutes of NBC news at my mom’s house. The story was about the woman stabbed to death in Charlotte. The anchor said something along the lines of “lawmakers are trying to figure out which party is to blame for the rise in violent crime…” and I’m like excuse me? I just can’t with this bullshit anymore. Then this happens. And the blame game is heated up more. And all these idiots “soft magas” I have managed to keep in my life going online lecturing to the wind about how we should all be better. Be better than what? Cuz I haven’t said fuck all about him out loud i saw a post from someone that said when people start yelling at you about Charlie Kirk you should say “who?” And get them to explain to you who he was and why they found him to be important. It would be interesting to see what people actually know about this guy. And why they think he’s worthy of the deification. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/838 "2025-09-13T03:39:52Z")
It’s been well established (well, ever since Scalia discovered this in 2008) that the first part of the Second Amendment, generally believed to have been put there by the framers of the Constitution as the basic fucking reason that the constitutional amendment was there in the first place, was actually just there as decoration. And to disguise the fact that the Founding Fathers were actually gun nuts, but were too embarrassed to admit it. 🤣 This was perhaps the watershed moment that the Supreme Court of the USA lost all credibility. If there was ever any doubt about that, _Citizens United_ came just two years later. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/839 "2025-09-13T03:45:04Z")
> The white Christian nationalist provocateur wasn’t a promoter of civil discourse. He preached hate, bigotry, and division … He was an unrepentant racist, transphobe, homophobe, and misogynist who often wrapped his bigotry in Bible verses because there was no other way to pretend that it was morally correct. I can’t think of anyone more deserving of the Presidential Medal of Freedom, other than perhaps the bestowing president himself, who should definitely get the Nobel Peace Prize he so lusts after. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/840 "2025-09-13T03:48:01Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Was listening to the radio on my way home from shopping when the ‘interview’ with Kirk’s wife was being played. > > OMG, what a fawning spectacle (of the audio kind). I didn’t know whether to puke or laugh. Was it an interview or her speech? I happened to catch several minutes of the speech on Fox earlier. It was quite the performance. She stood at a podium next to her husband’s empty chair and a microphone (with a 47 hat prominently displayed nearby). Daubing invisible tears, she extolled the Christian virtues of her husband, talked of his requited love with Donald Trump and, using occasional whispering to great affect, declared that his legacy would not die. She would personally see to it that it lives on. She is going to be very good at this. And speaking of Donald’s love for him, Trump had this to say earlier: > [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=43)