# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/841 "2025-09-13T04:05:45Z")
Trump: Who’s Sharly Turk? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/842 "2025-09-13T04:19:09Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > I happened to catch several minutes of the speech on Fox earlier. It was quite the performance. I just watched that. My god. That did not look like a wife upset over the loss of her husband, it looked like a B-grade actress trying for an Oscar. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/843 "2025-09-13T04:28:59Z")
So, Trump, how do you feel about the tragic loss of your good friend and fervent supporter Charlie Kirk? > They just started construction of the new ballroom for the White House, which is something they’ve been trying to get for about 150 years. And it’s gonna be a beauty. It’ll be an absolutely magnificent structure. I initially read that as “new bathroom”, which seemed oddly appropriate. And I bet Trump will name the new ballroom in honour of his great and now martyred friend Charlie Kirk. It will be called the “Trump Ballroom”. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/844 "2025-09-13T04:31:06Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I can’t even call it paranoid at this point, given how Trump has been going after dissenters of all sorts It isn’t paranoia when they really are out to get you. The immediate response to this shows that; they went right to condemning everyone on the left, with not even a hint of moderation. They’ll do it again, and again, until they finally get one right, and can use that as an excuse to do what they want to do. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/845 "2025-09-13T04:33:46Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > And I bet Trump will name the new ballroom in honour of his great and now martyred friend Charlie Kirk. It will be called the “Trump Ballroom”. Just how Charlie would have wanted it. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/846 "2025-09-13T04:35:44Z")
I predict a salacious tell-all book about him, by her, within the next couple of years. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/847 "2025-09-13T04:36:15Z")
And when they tell you they are looking for a casus belli to start the extermination it would be nice if folks would stop saying that that is not their plan. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/848 "2025-09-13T04:36:18Z")
@aurora\_marie, I wasn’t sure the exact nature of the speech, and being on the radio, even harder. But yes, quite the performance. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/849 "2025-09-13T05:07:31Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I initially read that as “new bathroom”, which seemed oddly appropriate. Gotta have someplace to put classified documents, amirite? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/850 "2025-09-13T05:21:23Z")
I just saw (unfortunately, and involuntarily) part of an interview with this despicable asshole’s wife. She is desperately fanning the flames of retaliatory violence, ignoring the question of who, exactly, to retaliate against, as apparently the whole family, including the shooter, was a bunch of MAGA nutcases. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/851 "2025-09-13T05:24:05Z")
The guardian has since retracted the story, btw. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/852 "2025-09-13T06:27:58Z")
Yes, it turns out that the “verified source” didn’t actually know the shooter very well. So much for “verification”. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/853 "2025-09-13T06:47:56Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I can only hope you endured unspeakable suffering during your final hours and minutes. Fuck you. I’m thinking the final thoughts may have been of something like, “Wow. If I didn’t believe in that stupid, outdated storybook, I’d still be alive and not persecuted in public all the time. Plus, I’d have a better meme symbol association than a fat-ass frog.” ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/854 "2025-09-13T08:21:55Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Although again, if you are an assassin don’t wear a t-shirt with a political message and don’t wear dark sunglasses and look shady. I thought right-wing attendees at a right-wing speaking event were supposed to wear t-shits promoting guns, flag, and eagles - isn’t that part of their uniform? Seriously - political message t-shirts with red baseball caps are as common as dirt these days, they hardly stand out and arguably will let you blend in at certain events. > [@Atamasama](#): > > It would take a pretty massive drone to carry that much equipment. I’m not sure how well something that size could (literally and figuratively) fly under the radar. Literally flying under the radar means staying below treetop/building height because radar can’t see through solid objects. There’s also a lot of airspace that just isn’t monitored in the 0-1200 foot range except near the busiest of airports. And so on. As a pilot I could it easily enough, although flying that low carries risks of colliding with things like powerlines or guy wires for radio towers that can really ruin your day. Also, things flying that low tend to attract the attention of people on the ground who will point and say “Hey! Why is that drone there? And why is it carrying a rife and a bunch of clothes?” Then out comes the camera and the next thing you know it’s on social media. Also, surveillance cameras. So while, yes, you can fly under the radar evading cell phones and CCTV is a much more difficult task. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > To me it is, “How ‘easy’ was that shot?” That I have no idea about. Doubtless it takes some practice and familiarity with the weapon. Just not sure how much. As a very occasional shooter, by which I mean I go with a friend to a range every year or two and use a borrowed firearm, I have within 4-5 shots been able to put my bullet in the center or first ring of a bullseye using a bolt-action deer rifle. That’s about 20-30 minutes because I tend to think about each shot and work to refine my aim each time. Now, a fixed target at a range is a lot different than a moving target in a crowd, but a lot of this is about sighting in the scope and getting used to the gun. So no, it’s not that hard of a shot from a technical standpoint. Even a rank amateur with crappy eyesight such as myself can be a pretty good shot with a decent scope and minimal practice. Apparently the shooter was familiar with guns from a young age and no doubt had a LOT more practice than I do, if he had difficulty it would have been from the psychological pressures in killing a fellow human being rather than lining up the shot. I tend to favor the theory that he was aiming for the center-of-mass and his bullet went high, but I’m no expert. > [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I have to say, though, approaching a task like this with a single-shot rifle is informative. Well…. technically he had four bullets in total before he had to re-load. But yeah, if the first one hadn’t landed chances of committing murder would have dropped off considerably. Also, more likely to hit/kill someone NOT his target. I dunno - was he a hunter used to using this gun? Because when you’re hunting something like deer if the first shot doesn’t hit the mark you’re not likely to get a second chance. Could prior habit/practice have influenced his choice of weapon here? > [@Kyomara](#): > > Political violence is and remains exceedingly rare in the US. Compared to other times and places? Yes. I’d still like to see it even _less_ rare than it is. > [@silenus](#): > > It is in no way a “single shot” rifle except to a particularly brainless reporter. Yes. Probably heard that it wasn’t a semi-automatic AR-15 and just assumed it was a muzzle-loading blunderbuss. Press reporting on firearms usually sucks. > [@Velocity](#): > > With any sort of gun, though, couldn’t the shooter attach a small bag or something to catch the cartridge as it ejects? Yes, but automatic ejection is a feature of semi-automatic guns. Bolt action often do not automatically eject anything, you use the bolt to cycle and that’s when the brass leaves the gun. With practice that can still give you a pretty rapid rate of fire, but speed/rate of fire isn’t everything. So… fire and _don’t_ use the bolt-lever and it stays in the gun. As seems to have been the case in this instance. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > The expended cartridge is easily caught by the shooter if they want to do that. Yes, but it can be surprisingly hot just after the gun is fired. So wear gloves or use a rag to grab it. > [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > So the shooter, being anxious to vamoose right after the shot, wouldn’t be inclined to pick up the brass? If the shooter has a bolt-action gun and has only fired one shot and has NOT worked the bolt action then the brass stays in the gun and there is no need to pick up anything. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I guess the issue is, with a bolt action rifle meant to take one and maybe two shots as an assassin (doubt you would get more than two), how much effort is there in collecting the cases? Again - if it’s a bolt action and you only shoot once _don’t_ cycle the action and the brass stays in the gun and you don’t have to worry about picking up anything. ---
**Author:** ![SailorHG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@SailorHG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SailorHG)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/855 "2025-09-13T08:36:09Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > How would that prayer be answered? Would God go back in time to change the shooter My (religious) neighbour was a teacher at the local high school. One year about a week into the school year he mentioned that he had been praying before the start of the new term that God would give him a good set of students instead of the troublemakers he typically got (he taught electronics). He told us that while his prayer had indeed been answered, he subsequently realised that students make their elective choices in the Spring, before he even prayed for the good outcome! His conclusion: God knew that he would be praying later in August and influenced the kids four months beforehand. God is able to travel through time! But I also very much like this take on the idea: > [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I think some people have a sort of quantum mechanical view of unknown information that they believe can be influenced by prayer. For example praying about a test result before calling the doctor. This piggybacks a bit onto the parallel world’s theory of the universe: For every event, all outcomes happen. Our praying just moves our consciousness into one of the “good” versions of those outcomes instead of the “bad” ones! So too bad, Governor Cox; you just didn’t have enough faith or pray hard enough! Or alternatively: we (mostly) a-religious folks on the SDMB have more faith than all of the RW nutjobs combined! 😜 ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/856 "2025-09-13T08:53:54Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > a fixed target at a range is a lot different than a moving target in a crowd Kirk, from the videos I’ve seen of his “road show”, preferred to be seated and physically focused on his interlocutor. Kirk was the hunting equivalent difficulty of a deer at a salt lick. > [@Broomstick](#): > > I tend to favor the theory that he was aiming for the center-of-mass and his bullet went high, but I’m no expert. I’m thinking firing from an unfamiliarly elevated shooting position created a minor miscalculation of bullet drop that threw off ~~a head shot~~ a center mass shot. > When shooting from an elevated position (uphill or downhill), gravity has a different effect on the bullet than when shooting on flat ground. > Impact is higher: For both uphill and downhill shots, the bullet will hit higher on the target than it would on a flat surface at the same distance. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/857 "2025-09-13T09:18:06Z")
> [@bobsmom101](#): > > “Helldivers2???” “Groypers??” > > What a weird depressing universe young Tyler was inhabiting. We’re in Bizarro Dylan territory: _You try so hard but you don’t understand_ _Just what you will say when you get home_ _Because something is happening here but you don’t know what it is_ _Do you, Mr. Jones?_ ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/858 "2025-09-13T10:02:07Z")
[After the inciter-in-chief blames Leftists for Kirk’s killing, of course this happens.](https://www.aol.com/articles/us-colleges-experiencing-epidemic-swatting-124250405.html) (The **bolding** is mine.) > College campuses across America are experiencing an epidemic of hoax calls about bogus shootings and other emergencies following the shooting death of Charlie Kirk this week. > > **These calls – known as swatting – panicked at least a dozen schools as police rush to campuses, chasing phantom threats with many of them being racially motivated and targeting historically Black colleges and universities.** > > Activities froze in places like Virginia State University after a swatting call and at Southern University in Louisiana, where classes have already been cancelled through the weekend, another swatting call put the entire campus on high alert. [Turns out the killer registered to vote, but did not list a party affiliation.](https://www.aol.com/articles/man-arrested-charlie-kirks-killing-191109952.html) (The **bolding** is mine.) > ST. GEORGE, Utah (AP) — The family of the young Utah man accused of shooting [Charlie Kirk](https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-shooting-utah-university-republicans-8357c3d102de09e3320fde761258131a) told authorities he had recently become “more political” and recounted a dinner table conversation where they discussed whether the conservative activist was spreading hate. > > Tyler James Robinson, 22, of Washington, Utah, [was arrested](https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-shooter-search-utah-governor-21ba12bbf01579fd2fbcdbe1da03dae5) on suspicion of aggravated murder, felony discharge of a firearm causing serious bodily harm, and obstruction of justice, all felonies, according to a probable cause statement filed in court and released Friday. A judge ordered that he be held without bail. > > Robinson mentioned Kirk’s upcoming visit to Utah Valley University — located about 3 1/2 hours from the family’s southern Utah home — at a recent dinner, kicking off a conversation about how he didn’t like Kirk’s viewpoints, family told authorities. A full picture of his political leanings was still emerging. **Utah state records show he is registered to vote, but that he is not affiliated with a political party and is listed as inactive, meaning he didn’t vote in the two most recent general elections.** > > His listed address in the probable cause statement is the six-bedroom home of his parents, who own a granite countertop business and are registered to vote as Republicans. > > State and federal court records do not show any prior criminal cases involving him. It wasn’t immediately clear whether Robinson had a defense lawyer who could comment on his behalf. Messages seeking comment Friday from family members, including his parents, received no response. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/859 "2025-09-13T10:42:19Z")
> [@bobsmom101](#): > > “Helldivers2???” “Groypers??” > > What a weird depressing universe young Tyler was inhabiting. Eh, the groypers are pretty pathetic but Helldivers 2 is a fun game. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/860 "2025-09-13T11:36:11Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I thought right-wing attendees at a right-wing speaking event were supposed to wear **t-shits** Very appropriate misspelling, IMO. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=42) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=44)