# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/921 "2025-09-13T14:52:50Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Please, continue to try to support the argument that the evidence that Kirk’s assassin was mentally ill is that he assassinated Kirk I love that you’re trying to pass this off as _absurd_. _Please, continue to try to support the argument that the evidence that the man wandering down the freeway naked is mentally ill is that he was wandering down the freeway naked_. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/922 "2025-09-13T15:07:35Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > This is an ideological battle, not open warfare. In that context, sacrificing yourself to take out Kirk is the height of idiocy. Every war is ideological until it comes to open warfare, though I’d take pains to say that Groypers are not exactly immunized against idiocy. Rationalizing something doesn’t validate the reasoning, it’s just pointing out that the reasoning exists, even if it’s not especially sound reasoning. Again I wouldn’t suggest that Groypers are any kinds of national strategists, but it’s not a big leap to understand that what’s good for Kirk is bad for Groypers, and it’s not surprising that they’d react negatively to it. Kirk had always been close to Trump, his organization was elevated by Trump, and was positioned to be elevated further. He’s credited by many with Trump’s 2024 victory. You can see how this would affront and threaten Groypers, who see themselves as instrumental in making Trump 2016 happen. Assume that President Kirk or FBI Director Kirk actually happened. At best his far-right rivals would be diminished, at worst they might actually find themselves targeted for investigation, incarceration, or maybe outright elimination. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/923 "2025-09-13T15:12:24Z")
The trouble is that by the time someone _does_ become “Hitler” it is far too late to do much about it. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/924 "2025-09-13T15:14:05Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I wouldn’t suggest that Groypers are any kinds of national strategists I would argue that it’s not a “group” at all, just a description of people who listen to Nick Fuentes and enthusiastically support his ideology. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > The trouble is that by the time someone _does_ become “Hitler” it is far too late to do much about it. Yeah, but we can’t preemptively kill people “just in case” ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/925 "2025-09-13T15:32:33Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > No honor is too large for this great American patriot. I think they should make a new candy bar, the CharlieBar. It’s made of bitter white chocolate, nuts and rat turds, and the package is wrapped too tight. And _everybody_ has to eat it and like it, no dissent allowed! > [@Moriarty](#): > > Kirk didn’t have the power and authority that Hitler had in that scenario. But he will, or would have, in the future. Has anyone considered that the killer is a time traveler? > [@Nick Fuentes](#): > > I disavow you. I disown you in the strongest possible terms,” Fuentes said on Rumble So Fuentes is ideologically a coward. “I advocate for violence - oh wait, someone took me up on it! And I might be next? Oh dear, let’s all calm down.” ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/926 "2025-09-13T15:41:03Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > So Fuentes is ideologically a coward. Of course he is. He’s all sorts of coward. > [@](#): > > “My followers and I are currently being framed for the murder of Charlie Kirk by the mainstream media based on literally zero evidence,”[Fuentes wrote on X](https://x.com/NickJFuentes/status/1966734737499730025). “After the left gunned him down, they celebrated and justified it. They said I was next. Now they are blaming me. These people are pure evil.” > **[Alt-right media star says he is ‘being framed for the murder of Charlie Kirk’...](https://www.al.com/politics/2025/09/alt-right-media-star-says-hes-being-framed-for-murder-of-charlie-kirk-in-late-night-x-post.html)** > > Kirk was shot and killed on Wednesday while speaking in Utah. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/927 "2025-09-13T15:45:04Z")
Just saw an interesting take on this online. Somebody posted “I don’t support what happened to Charlie Kirk. But Charlie Kirk supported what happened to Charlie Kirk.” ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/928 "2025-09-13T15:48:36Z")
Dylan Burns, a guy who has been reporting from the ground on Ukraine for the last couple of years, has this message to all the people screeching for civil war: > > > Libs of TikTok @libsoftiktok ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/929 "2025-09-13T16:33:21Z")
Maybe whittle down Stone Mountain until it’s just a big Charlie Kirk head. Good for tourism if nothing else. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/930 "2025-09-13T16:53:36Z")
> [@Nick Fuentes](#): > > I disavow you. I disown you in the strongest possible terms,” Fuentes said on Rumble I break with thee, I break with thee, I break with thee! [Throws dog poop on their shoe] ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/931 "2025-09-13T17:04:22Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > But he will, or would have, in the future. Has anyone considered that the killer is a time traveler? Yep! In this thread, even. > [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > My thought was he was a Romulan. One of Charlie’s future children was going to have a descendant named “James Tiberius”. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/932 "2025-09-13T17:07:27Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Maybe whittle down Stone Mountain until it’s just a big Charlie Kirk head. So, like, melon-sized? ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/933 "2025-09-13T17:17:06Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Maybe whittle down Stone Mountain until it’s just a big Charlie Kirk head. I’ve suggested similar. Point a big Howitzer at the mountain and charge to shoot it. I’m in! ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/934 "2025-09-13T17:26:44Z")
The latest “leaks” being spread today on rightwing boards and channels (including at least one Fox News commentator) is that Robinson was living with a transitioning partner, and that that individual is cooperating with the investigation. Whether this will prove to be a made-up or “tweaked” leak just to keep the base riled up remains to be seen. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/935 "2025-09-13T17:39:38Z")
I saw this… Here’s hoping those reports are wrong. That he messaged his friend (potentially roommate or partner, but those are unconfirmed to my understanding) and asked them to hide the gun does imply some level of trust that could line up with them being romatically involved. But of course, that doesn’t mean that they’re trans. And this guy also confessed to his dad, which turned out to be a bad call (for him) - so maybe he’s just not the best judge of character. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/936 "2025-09-13T17:42:10Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > If this guy was described as being a lefty by a right winger from Utah, that could simply mean that he wasn’t a registered Republican. > Drop him in Boston or Chicago an he might have been described as a righty. Exactly. A liberal Mormon isn’t a fuckin’ liberal. There is a vast gulf between the two. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/937 "2025-09-13T17:44:54Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > And this guy also confessed to his dad Did he? Or did everybody who knew him just recognize him from the photos released. I thought all the dad did was talk him into surrendering. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/938 "2025-09-13T17:49:59Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Did he? Or did everybody who knew him just recognize him from the photos released. I thought all the dad did was talk him into surrendering Looking it up, the dad asked him “is this you”, Robinson answered “yes”, the dad told him to turn himself in, he said no, the dad told him to talk to a pastor, and some time later he was in custody. I don’t know if the pastor convinced him to turn himself in or just called the cops? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/939 "2025-09-13T17:56:47Z")
I read that the pastor was a cop. Mormon pastors all have day jobs, fwiw. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/940 "2025-09-13T18:28:54Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > The latest “leaks” being spread today on rightwing boards and channels (including at least one Fox News commentator) is that Robinson was living with a transitioning partner, and that that individual is cooperating with the investigation Well, fuck. The source for this is a Fox News digital reporter named Brooke Singman, who claims to be citing law enforcement sources. I have no idea of the quality of her reporting. > [@Babale](#): > > Here’s hoping those reports are wrong. Agreed. It wound completely fit the narrative that the right wing wants to sell. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=48)