# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 59
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2025, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1161 "2025-09-17T23:29:20Z")
The fascist’s overreaching is going to start making it really cool to join the resistance. The MAGA movement is going to implode under the weight of its own bullshit. There is only one person responsible for the murder of CK: the shooter. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1162 "2025-09-18T00:25:57Z")
> [@Win\_Place\_Show](#): > > I submitted a pretty easy record removal request through them, and within 36 hours everything was gone and now I get a “This record is no longer available” message. Thank you. I did that. It had a lot of my old addresses, and linked me to some family members living and dead, but it had my current address as somewhere I’ve never lived. And I think the phone number they had for me was an old landline number I haven’t had in more than a decade. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1163 "2025-09-18T02:37:32Z")
When one of the worst people you know makes a great point. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Okt7cxNwdWQ/maxresdefault.jpg "Tucker Turns on Trump?") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okt7cxNwdWQ) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1164 "2025-09-18T02:54:25Z")
I can’t watch videos right now, but I love the idea of Nazis turning on Nazis. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1165 "2025-09-18T02:55:07Z")
Summary please? ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1166 "2025-09-18T03:08:16Z")
Transcript: > "You hope that Charlie Kirk’s death won’t be used by a group we now call ‘bad actors’ to create a society that was the opposite of the one he worked to build. You _hope_ that. You hope that a _year_ from now, the turmoil we’re seeing in the aftermath of his murder won’t be leveraged to bring hate speech laws to this country. > > “And trust me, if it is, if that _does_ happen, there is never a more justified moment for civil disobedience than that ever. And there never will be. Because they can tell you what to say. They’re telling you what to think. There is _nothing_ they can’t do to you because they don’t consider you human. They don’t believe you have a soul. A human being with a soul, a free man, has the right to say what he believes, not to _hurt_ other people, but to express his views.” This was just a 50-second clip from an hour-long show. But if Trump has lost Tucker Carlson, for godsakes. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1167 "2025-09-18T03:08:39Z")
Let’s just say with the censoring of Jimmy Kimmel, the irony burns like Holy Water. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1168 "2025-09-18T03:21:06Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > > [@hajario](#): > > > > Unbelievable. Ironically, that’s not what Kirk would have wanted > > Wrong. Entirely believable. And I’m not convinced Kirk was opposed to critics losing, whether that was the argument, their jobs, etc. Indeed. Kirk was very much a “free speech for me, but not for thee” type. This is a guy who put together lists of professors and such that he disagreed with so they could be targeted for harassment and calls for termination. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1169 "2025-09-18T03:41:30Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > This was just a 50-second clip from an hour-long show. But if Trump has lost Tucker Carlson, for godsakes. I listened to that and heard the complete opposite. He isn’t railing against Trump, he is railing against the group that is opposite of what Charlie Kirk worked to build. He isn’t railing against Trump from what I can see. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1170 "2025-09-18T09:31:23Z")
MAGA is allowed to rail against anything and anyone, they’re allowed to savage any of their number who strays from the One True Path, but the one person they are _never_ allowed to criticize is Trump. Watch them. They attack lots of people around Trump, but never Trump himself. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1171 "2025-09-18T10:57:27Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > MAGA is allowed to rail against anything and anyone, One example of such is an outcry against the posting of a clip from an Indy game in relation to the CK shooting. I’ll always be on the side of Dr. Jones: [Bethesda Under Fire After Indiana Jones ‘Fascist’ Promo Linked to Charlie Kirk Shooting: 'I Think I'll Pass on the Next Elder Scrolls' | The Nerd Stash](https://thenerdstash.com/bethesda-under-fire-after-indiana-jones-fascist-promo-linked-to-charlie-kirk-shooting-i-think-ill-pass-on-the-next-elder-scrolls/) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1172 "2025-09-18T11:06:51Z")
We just have to accept that the US fought on the wrong side in WWII. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1173 "2025-09-18T12:50:40Z")
Theres a sign company I walked by that had a sign outside saying If you are happy about Charlie Kirk’s death, you are the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1174 "2025-09-18T14:01:28Z")
That’s bullshit What they mean is “if you aren’t sufficiently devastated about Charlie Kirk’s death, we consider you a problem” ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1175 "2025-09-18T14:41:37Z")
The performative grief over Charlie Kirk feels a lot like Stalinism, where nobody wanted to be the first one to stop applauding. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1176 "2025-09-18T14:43:26Z")
Excellent comparison. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1177 "2025-09-18T14:50:26Z")
The MAGA coalition has been slowly fracturing, causing the Republicans grave concern about the midterm elections. Aside from the usual ‘flooding the zone with shit’ and deflecting to defuse the ‘potential impact of Epstein’ tactics, they welcomed _any_ opportunity even _remotely_ capable of being exploited as a unifying factor for their weakening bonds. Let’s just say that their October Surprise may have come a (year and a) bit early this time, and not a moment too soon. It also gave them the excuse that they didn’t need to take Two More Giant Steps forward, toward [**Competitive Authoritarianism (15pp PDF)**](https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/levitsky/files/SL_elections.pdf). [Charlie Kirk] ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1178 "2025-09-18T14:50:52Z")
I’m a broken record here but I’m still gobsmacked that there has been ZERO discussion about gun control after this shooting. I’m pissed that people aren’t pissed about that! I don’t give a shit about Kirk’s politics - that doesn’t even rise to the point of relevance for me. Why did that asshole have that gun and why were his idiot parents allowed to have a goddamned arsenal with which to teach how to kill efficiently? Second Amendment, my hair balls. But we’re here talking about Kirk’s trolling, like it matters one fucking whit. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1179 "2025-09-18T14:54:56Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I’m a broken record here but I’m still gobsmacked that there has been ZERO discussion about gun control after this shooting. Yesterday there were 3 cops killed and 2 others critically injured in a shootout trying to serve a warrant. That story is getting little to no attention compared to the aftermath of the Kirk shooting. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1180 "2025-09-18T14:56:17Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I’m still gobsmacked that there has been ZERO discussion about gun control after this shooting. I’m all in favor of gun control, but under even the most restrictive possible set of laws, this would’ve happened. The guy used a deer rifle first owned by his father. Nobody’s ever proposed banning that scenario. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=58) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=60)