# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![Win\_Place\_Show](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/win_place_show/32/13469_2.png) [@Win\_Place\_Show](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Win_Place_Show)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1181 "2025-09-18T15:00:06Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I’m a broken record here but I’m still gobsmacked that there has been ZERO discussion about gun control after this shooting. Not to veer off too much (hopefully) into a gun control tangent, but I loved the memes I saw this week (and perhaps it was mentioned at some point in the last 1,180 comments here) that Democrat lawmakers should introduce the “Charlie Kirk Gun Control Bill” and make Republicans vote against it. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1182 "2025-09-18T15:02:04Z")
There hasn’t exactly been zero discussion. But mostly there was a recognition that the crowd taking advantage of this death for their own political gain have no interest in having that discussion and those that do want to have that discussion are currently being hushed. For what it’s worth, there was a school shooting the same day that is still being mostly ignored. As for inherited arms, sure, those will always be a problem but that doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be any attempt to do anything at all. As for this board, there are already plenty of threads, and I’d rather not have the usual suspects derail yet another thread and keep them contained in those. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1183 "2025-09-18T15:24:44Z")
If Charlie Kirk were a ten year old school kid, the country would have forgotten about him already. Except for Alex Jones, who would say he was a crisis actor. It seems what the right really wants is oppressed left to start shooting, so they can crack down and say “see! I told you so!” And when they don’t get that response, they double down on more oppression. Lose-lose. Except - this isn’t 1936 Germany. The oppressed left isn’t 6 million, but more like 170 million, many of whom are armed. If the right gets their civil war, they may not like the results. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1184 "2025-09-18T16:10:20Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I’m all in favor of gun control, but under even the most restrictive possible set of laws, this would’ve happened. The guy used a deer rifle first owned by his father. Nobody’s ever proposed banning that scenario. Actually, the father was concerned that the son was trained by him and he knew he was armed and “falling down”, just a bit more awareness of what he was thinking about Charlie Kirk, and the father could had reached for red flag laws to take away the son’s guns. Of course, _Utah is one state that has no red flag laws_. ---
**Author:** ![Win\_Place\_Show](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/win_place_show/32/13469_2.png) [@Win\_Place\_Show](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Win_Place_Show)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1185 "2025-09-18T16:21:50Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > > [@Win\_Place\_Show](#): > > > > When I “Googled” myself the other day (I have a pretty uncommon last name) I was kind of taken aback to see all the information that was compiled on me through “truepeoplesearch”. Current address and older ones going back 20 years, old phone numbers, my parents’ and sister’s names and ages and addresses, etc. My current employer was listed as well. > > I googled myself on that service and holy shit there was a TON of inaccuracies in the information, including alleged addresses for me thousands of miles away from where I have ever lived and they don’t have my current name correct. WTF? Hmmmm, any chance it was just a completely unrelated person with your same First Name, Last Name? ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1186 "2025-09-18T16:35:28Z")
Years ago, TransUnion decided that I and a guy who lived about 30 miles away were the same person. So if you pulled either of our credit reports, you got all the other person’s information, loans, addresses, etc. and the names were listed as aliases. Of course I discovered this when we pulled the credit report for a mortgage. “Mr Olds, why didn’t you list the second home and two car loans on the application?” I was getting nowhere getting it resolved. I happened to be speaking to my cousin, who is a patent attorney, so not the sort that normally deals with this stuff. He said “Would you believe the head of in-house counsel at TransUnion is a friend of mine?” Resolved in 48 hours. However, to this day, any online search like the one listed above still lists all the information about the other guy under my name, in addition to the correct info. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1187 "2025-09-18T17:14:48Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > There is only one person responsible for the murder of CK: the shooter. “Guns don’t kill people. People do.” > [@Win\_Place\_Show](#): > > Democrat lawmakers should introduce the “Charlie Kirk Gun Control Bill” and make Republicans vote against it. Brilliant! Of course they’d get pushback about politicizing a tragedy but then they’d get that no matter what they did, including nothing. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1188 "2025-09-18T17:24:51Z")
Guns don’t die, people do. At first I felt bad for CK’s children. Then I read that when he was asked the hypothetical case of his 10 year old daughter being raped, would he force her to deliver the rapist’s child. He said the child would be delivered. So fuck him, if he’s that kind of shithole father, the kids are better off without him. And since MAGA thinks that liberals are celebrating his death, I’ll defy them and not celebrate his passing, even though his death makes the world a better place. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1189 "2025-09-18T18:50:50Z")
> [@Win\_Place\_Show](#): > > Hmmmm, any chance it was just a completely unrelated person with your same First Name, Last Name? More like they mooshed together the records of _multiple_ people into one, based on one variation of my name which is not, I hasten to add, my _actual_ name. I have only ever been able to google 1 - just ONE - other person with my name. She lives in England. So… “completely unrelated person” with my _exact_ name is unlikely. I attempted to contact their customer service department about the gross inaccuracies but got a form letter back that basically said they didn’t give a fuck about that, it was all drawn from public records, and if I didn’t like it I could go change those public records. So… yeah, they have a phone number for me I haven’t had as mine _in over 30 years._ I’m sure someone else has it by now and that person has some other wrong phone number. Meanwhile, the phone number I actually have had for 30 years they have as belonging to some dude in Utah. Which might explain why I’ve been getting his phone calls for the last 3-4 years! What the hell “public records” are they drawing this shit from? Basically, their database is bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1190 "2025-09-18T18:52:52Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > So fuck him, if he’s that kind of shithole father, the kids are better off without him. My understanding is that Kirk’s wife is that kind of shithole of a mother. So really nothing has changed for the kids. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1191 "2025-09-18T19:05:03Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > What the hell “public records” are they drawing this shit from? Basically, their database is bullshit. In my case, I know a lot of the incorrect information is credit reports. Anything that gets reported to a credit bureau, including typos and silly mistakes, is there forever. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1192 "2025-09-18T19:10:06Z")
I’ve checked my credit reports - _they_ have accurate information on me. I still suspect they’re conflating the records of different people. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2025, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1193 "2025-09-18T21:04:46Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Except - this isn’t 1936 Germany. The oppressed left isn’t 6 million, but more like 170 million, many of whom are armed. If the right gets their civil war, they may not like the results. Germany didn’t have drones that could kill you with their operator being hundreds of miles away. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2025, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1194 "2025-09-19T02:52:58Z")
The funeral will be on Sunday at State Farm Stadium in Phoenix, which seats 60,000. > Turning Point USA has announced remarks will be delivered by Erika Kirk and several high-ranking U.S. administrative figures, including President Donald Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance. > > Secretaries Marco Rubio, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., and Pete Hegseth will also speak, as well as Tulsi Gabbard, Donald Trump Jr., Tucker Carlson, Stephen Miller and Sergio Gor. [Link](https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/trump-confirms-hell-attend-charlie-kirks-funeral-what-we-know) I’m hoping that the furor will die down once he’s buried. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2025, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1195 "2025-09-19T02:56:56Z")
Bring a wooden stake just to be sure. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2025, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1196 "2025-09-19T03:23:30Z")
I’m hoping for an asteroid strike. ---
**Author:** ![Ellecram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellecram/32/18948_2.png) [@Ellecram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellecram)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2025, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1197 "2025-09-19T03:24:04Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Bring a wooden stake just to be sure. Don’t forget the garlic. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2025, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1198 "2025-09-19T03:34:54Z")
Will they bring a [Blutfahne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blutfahne)? ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2025, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1199 "2025-09-19T03:38:54Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > > [@Win\_Place\_Show](#): > > > > Democrat lawmakers should introduce the “Charlie Kirk Gun Control Bill” and make Republicans vote against it. > > Brilliant! > > Of course they’d get pushback about politicizing a tragedy but then they’d get that no matter what they did, including nothing. I’d rather they push the “Charlie Kirk Free Speech Bill” to shore up the first amendment. Probably just as little chance of getting passed, but maybe a little more effective messaging to the people who aren’t stupid enough to be diehard MAGA, but who are still too stupid to realize they should be diehard anti-MAGA. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2025, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1200 "2025-09-19T03:40:34Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > The funeral will be on Sunday at State Farm Stadium in Phoenix, which seats 60,000. Just like the '25 inauguration, working-class supporters will flock to the funeral only to find their trip was in vain and they won’t be allowed in. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=59) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=61)