# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1321 "2025-09-22T17:25:02Z")
I just want to see the look on Pedro’s face when ‘But I’m a fascist just like you!’ cuts him no slack with ICE. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1322 "2025-09-22T17:29:44Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’m sorry. Is the concept of “right and wrong” just a bit too much for you to handle? I notice that you think coming back “stronger” is the only path that works for you. It worked for Hitler, too…for awhile. Did you just compare me to Hitler? 😆 Mercy please! ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1323 "2025-09-22T17:32:07Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > But the guy in your political aisle just murdered the guy with whom I share with many if not most of my political opinions. I think I got Charlie Kirk just fine. Then you are an enemy of humanity, and want to kill or enslave most of the people on this bird. Which for some reason won’t win you many friends here. And no, I don’t expect you to care. I wouldn’t expect _you_ to care if you saw your own mother burn alive in front of you. She’s a woman, not a person after all. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1324 "2025-09-22T17:32:28Z")
I fear, @Pedro you are not going to last too long here. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1325 "2025-09-22T17:33:08Z")
Not even in your wildest dreams would anyone compare a failure like you to a much more powerful failure like him. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1326 "2025-09-22T17:37:06Z")
Nah, trolling is allowed in the Pit. And I say that not because I think Pedro is a troll but because his refusal to actually engage in this thread is trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1327 "2025-09-22T17:40:10Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > I fear, @Pedro you are not going to last too long here. Oh my. I seem to have caught of case of the cooties. Or is it wrongthink? I always confuse those two. Anyway it’s OK. Promise me you will not cry for me. DO IT! ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1328 "2025-09-22T17:40:46Z")
^ See? ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1329 "2025-09-22T17:42:47Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Promise me you will not cry for me. DO IT! Unfortunately, I will not cry. As much as your favourite shitgibbon enjoys the “tears” that apparently fall from the left, over your most stupid idiot’s rule, I am situated in a very different country. Sorry to ruin your vicarious pleasure. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1330 "2025-09-22T17:54:48Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Not even in your wildest dreams would anyone compare a failure like you to a much more powerful failure like him. Not bad. Next I think you need to call me a coward because I ran away and wasn’t man enough to take the abuse of an entire message board directed at me calling me loser Hitler. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1331 "2025-09-22T17:56:33Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Next I think you need to call me a coward Ok. You are a coward. Are you satisfied? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1332 "2025-09-22T18:09:13Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Not bad. Next I think you need to call me a coward because I ran away and wasn’t man enough to take the abuse of an entire message board directed at me calling me loser Hitler. No; just vermin. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1333 "2025-09-22T18:24:51Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > the abuse of an entire message board So, you can’t count either… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1334 "2025-09-22T18:25:17Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > the guy with whom I share with many if not most of my political opinions. Great. Thanks for telling us who you are. " I think it’s worth it. I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment" “I can’t stand the word empathy, actually,” he said. “I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that does a lot of damage.” “They (black people) were actually better in the 1940s. It was bad. It was evil. But what happened? Something changed. They committed less crimes.” Certain Black women “do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.” “If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, ‘Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’” ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1335 "2025-09-22T18:34:42Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Great. Thanks for telling us who you are. You’re very welcome. And who are you, another friendly internet denizen yearning for an open and intellectually honest debate on complex topics? How wonderful. Pick one sentence and point me to the Charlie Kirk source material or quote if you’d like and I will do my best to keep up with you. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1336 "2025-09-22T18:37:08Z")
Are you 12? Good. Google “Charlie Kirk podcast blacks were better in the 1940s” and you can watch all these statements being said by CK on podcast. Here’s a start: [Charlie Kirk in his own words: ‘prowling Blacks’ and ‘the great replacement strategy’ | Charlie Kirk shooting | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs) Since you are probably the age that prefers video to text: [67K views · 415 reactions | Charlie Kirk said black people were better off in slavery and subjugation before the 1940’s. “It was bad & it was evil but they committed less crimes” | Teaching Black History Facts, "What America doesn't want you to know".](https://www.facebook.com/TeachingBlackHistoryFacts/videos/charlie-kirk-said-black-people-were-better-off-in-slavery-and-subjugation-before/1303579978095032/) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1337 "2025-09-22T18:40:12Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Pick one sentence I did, > [@Pedro](#): > > But the guy in your political aisle > > > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > > > And the evidence for this is what? and you ran. But since you’ve gotten the subject change you needed . . . ohhh, do press on! ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1338 "2025-09-22T18:55:25Z")
I’m not sure I understand what you are trying to do here. Are you arguing that Charlie Kirk’s horrible rhetoric was just not that bad when taken in its full context, and that therefore he’s basically a good guy? Nobody should have to be murdered. That’s awful. But just because you agree with someone on a lot of things, that doesn’t mean they’re a good person. Just because they are entertaining, that doesn’t mean they’re a good person. Likewise, just because someone is crass in venting their feelings on a random message board doesn’t mean they’re a bad person. It’s pretty clear that history is being rapidly rewritten to canonize Charlie Kirk, martyr for Free Speech. Feel all the feelings you like towards Saint Charlie, but even if you believe he had only good intentions, it’s pretty hard to deny that his words came across to a lot of us as pretty awful, and, we believe, emboldened some pretty awful behavior among his admirers. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1339 "2025-09-22T19:17:01Z")
Wow, you don’t know much about Mr. Kirk for one of his biggest fans. You might want to do some basic research, and get back to us. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1340 "2025-09-22T19:30:00Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > I’m not sure I understand what you are trying to do here. Are you arguing that Charlie Kirk’s horrible rhetoric was just not that bad when taken in its full context, and that therefore he’s basically a good guy? What horrible rhetoric? I do not know a lot about Charlie Kirk but what I have learned since he passed seems A-OK to me. I could do without the religious fervor to be honest, I can’t get behind that but it is what it is. Especially compared with the insanity coming from the left side of the political spectrum these days. Oops I guess that was a slip up too. I keep making these. Obviously you do not have to agree with me or like the man or his rhetoric, which wasn’t IMO “horrible”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=66) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=68)