# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1361 "2025-09-22T21:14:50Z")
Fighting ingnorance is much easier than fighting ingnoramuses. Magatrash are immune things like logic, truth and reason. In other words, don’t bother. Was anyone here actually gleeful that Kirk was murdered? If so, it was a tiny minority. Good people die every day. People with real accomplishments, people who tried to make this world a little bit better. Kirk was a grifting opportunist who contributed nothing.Gleeful, no. Indifferent, for sure. Of course Kirk shoudn’t have been murdered, but it’s definitely not the ‘feft’ that’s going to benefit from it. When the maga crowd gathers to mourn the senseless murder of the Hortmans, I’ll be the first to acknowledge their principled stand. Until then, Trump and all the rest of them can go suck a bag of dead dog’s dicks. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1362 "2025-09-22T21:40:18Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > And to everyone I learned enough about Charlie Kirk’s public speaking to say what I said before and I stand by it. That’s it. I do not care to indulge your boring nitpicking of the history of my Charlie Kirk knowledge beyond that. So you can’t defend him. I think you are one of the many people who blindly accept what right wing media tells you Kirk is about and are actually afraid to check it out for yourselves. It might make you think and that would cause serious cognitive dissonance and you can’t have that. > [@Dr.Drake](#): > > I did this partly because I’m not going to sit here going through videos to find information that you know good and well is there, I’m not sure he does. See above comment. He just wants to troll for some reason. That’s easier than confronting reality. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1363 "2025-09-22T21:47:35Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > So you can’t defend him. I think you are one of the many people who blindly accept what right wing media tells you Kirk is about and are actually afraid to check it out for yourselves. It might make you think and that would cause serious cognitive dissonance and you can’t have that. “Beware that, when fighting the liberals, you yourself do not become a liberal, for when you gaze long into Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk also gazes into you.” or something. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1364 "2025-09-22T21:56:02Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > So you can’t defend him. I think you are one of the many people who blindly accept what right wing media tells you Kirk is about and are actually afraid to check it out for yourselves. I think this is an astute observation. **Pedro** and his ilk are cowards. Just miserable fucking cowards. Not worth arguing with because they won’t even stand to defend themselves. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1365 "2025-09-22T21:58:56Z")
Why are people engaging Pedro? Please just ignore him. He’s not going to change, you’re never going to convince him, and it’s ruining the thread. Don’t give him what he wants. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1366 "2025-09-22T22:11:04Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > Trump couldn’t keep his hands off of Charlie Kirk’s wife. From what I saw, she couldn’t keep her hands off him either. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1367 "2025-09-22T22:25:37Z")
Was Melanie there? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1368 "2025-09-22T22:31:29Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Was Melanie there Melania did not attend. It is unclear, however, if Melanie was there. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1369 "2025-09-22T22:53:39Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > But Charlie Kirk said: > > _Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more._ > > _– The Charlie Kirk Show, [19 May 2023](https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-goes-unhinged-racist-rant-prowling-blacks-go-around-fun-go-target-white)_ > > Do you agree with this statement from Charlie Kirk? You mentioned he aligned with some of your political ideals. Does this also align somehow? I watched the video. I do not know what political ideal you think he is expressing here but I do not like the rhetoric he used in this case, no. It’s not clear if by “for fun” he is talking about pranking (which he describes in the video in more detail) or other kinds of violent crime. One is more problematic than the other but either way it sounds unnecessarily inflamatory to me. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1370 "2025-09-22T23:02:14Z")
Okay, you classify it as “inflammatory”. Agreed, and also racist, in my book. But earlier you said that some of his ideals align with your political ideals. I don’t find this statement political at all, just divisional and a way to get more deep-pocket donors for his think tank. So we both don’t like that statement. But you like something about him. Was there anything he said or did in his career that you support him? Say, would you donate to his organization Turning Point USA? IOW, I won’t celebrate anyone getting shot to death. But I found him so offensive and racist, I can never celebrate his life or his work. So what am I (and other SDMB members) missing? ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1371 "2025-09-22T23:14:57Z")
I can certainly see how in isolation this quote you selected from all the hours of content he published can be considered racist. If you look at the totality of his work, at least the one I’m familiar with, it should dispel the notion that he is a horrible racist. More later. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1372 "2025-09-22T23:19:06Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > it should dispel the notion that he is a horrible racist. Suuuurrrreeee, “They (black people) were actually better in the 1940s. It was bad. It was evil. But what happened? Something changed. They committed less crimes.” Certain Black women “do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.” ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1373 "2025-09-22T23:23:03Z")
“Forget it, Crow. It’s MAGAtown.” IOW DNFTT ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1374 "2025-09-22T23:26:31Z")
Please comment on ths quote about Joy Reid, Michelle Obama, Sheila Jackson Lee, and Ketanji Brown Jackson: > “You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.” ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1375 "2025-09-22T23:27:05Z")
I get that lot’s of folks want that done. I’m also aware of the troll that I think I got banned by force feeding them until they shat over the trolling line. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1376 "2025-09-22T23:28:22Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > I can certainly see how in isolation this quote you selected from all the hours of content he published can be considered racist. If you look at the totality of his work, at least the one I’m familiar with, it should dispel the notion that he is a horrible racist. You previously said you didn’t know much about Charlie Kirk. Now you’re saying the “totality of his work” or at least the “one you’re familiar with” might change my mind. Willing to look at this clip or article. If you could please post what you’re specifically referring to about his work, I’ll take a look. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1377 "2025-09-22T23:30:15Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > You previously said you didn’t know much about Charlie Kirk. Now you’re saying the “totality of his work” or at least the “one you’re familiar with” might change my mind. I’ve seen a lot of horrible quotes brought to light after he was killed. I haven’t seen anything not horrible. Someone should post something not horrible he ever said if it exists. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1378 "2025-09-22T23:38:56Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Melania did not attend. > > It is unclear, however, if Melanie was there I think Melanoma and trumpo are on the outs. The IKEA lamp he has with him in England was just some actress. [![](https://tn.com.ar/resizer/v2/en-varias-ocasiones-el-sombrero-de-la-primera-dama-fue-comparado-con-una-pantalla-de-lampara-foto-redes-socialesx-WXN5ERSBLFEDRIDG6CZ7OXCTMU.png?auth=da7da89700859415f12baabd8cb9da78c2d296f7d9489d7422dd75be1b6b7ee2&width=1023) ](https://tn.com.ar/resizer/v2/en-varias-ocasiones-el-sombrero-de-la-primera-dama-fue-comparado-con-una-pantalla-de-lampara-foto-redes-socialesx-WXN5ERSBLFEDRIDG6CZ7OXCTMU.png?auth=da7da89700859415f12baabd8cb9da78c2d296f7d9489d7422dd75be1b6b7ee2&width=1023) ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1379 "2025-09-22T23:54:12Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I get that lot’s of folks want that done. I’m also aware of the troll that I think I got banned by force feeding them until they shat over the trolling line. So that happened. Sometimes I forget how the SDMB is filled with extremely vicious but incredibly stupid and transparent shitstains. Good luck with that tootsie. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1380 "2025-09-22T23:56:01Z")
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