# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 71
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1401 "2025-09-23T01:41:51Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > If I had wanted to start a debate with my personal thoughts on DEI I would have. Just so I can follow along, can you define DEI? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1402 "2025-09-23T01:42:07Z")
Alright. Tomorrow, then. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1403 "2025-09-23T01:46:53Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > first I need to get some sleep. Very well. We shall resume in an hour. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1404 "2025-09-23T01:49:35Z")
You don’t even know the definition of DEI, yet WE are the brainrotted idiots? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1405 "2025-09-23T01:52:19Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > And spare me the silly goading about not being able to defend my public statements. Well, since you never started, it would be wrong to claim you couldn’t. > [@Pedro](#): > > What I am willing to do is discuss Charlie Kirk quotes in a serious and honest manner but first I need to get some sleep. Is that you Starving Artist? SA’s favorite way to avoid debate being the ‘Time for me to _insert thing here_, see you on the morrow. (That will never come!)’ dodge. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1406 "2025-09-23T01:57:48Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > I said it’s ruined the thread. Everybody trying to convince a troll the error of his ways is a waste of what had been a useful thread. It’s like grandpa screaming at the clouds. There are a bunch of people here who generally seem rational, but then a troll will get them going and they just cannot stop themselves. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1407 "2025-09-23T02:06:01Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > What I am willing to do is discuss Charlie Kirk quotes in a serious and honest manner but first I need to get some sleep. I appreciate that you did watch at least one clip and admitted that you didn’t like the rhetoric and felt it was inflammatory. I hope you can see that maybe what you have been told is not the whole story about him. Please watch some more clips to come to your own conclusions instead of just accepting what “your side” says he means. Then you can have an honest discussion. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1408 "2025-09-23T02:09:46Z")
Yanking mightily at this frikkin thread to try to get it back on track: Now that all the usual suspects have performatively proclaimed the deification of St. Charlie, how much staying power will his influence turn out to have? Will Turning Point continue to rake in the big bucks once the initial flurry of flinging money at the widow as she picks up the fallen torch subsides? Will other prophets emerge to take over his evangelism, and do it as well? Too soon to tell? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1409 "2025-09-23T02:14:40Z")
We already know how long Trump’s interest lasted. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1410 "2025-09-23T02:19:43Z")
Hey, priorities, man! ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1411 "2025-09-23T02:37:58Z")
Find out tomorrow, same batshit-time, same batshit-channel! ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1412 "2025-09-23T02:38:48Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Will Turning Point continue to rake in the big bucks once the initial flurry of flinging money at the widow as she picks up the fallen torch subsides? Will other prophets emerge to take over his evangelism, and do it as well? Too soon to tell? I’m more worried about the deification of Kirk, and to what extent Trump will use this as an excuse to crack down on his enemies. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1413 "2025-09-23T02:41:05Z")
I’m wondering if the Republicans calling for the release of the Epstein files are going to return to the topic. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1414 "2025-09-23T03:06:43Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Will other prophets emerge to take over his evangelism, and do it as well? Don’t think so. Kirk had a unique talent and it’s doubtful that somebody can step in and be as effective as he was. I look for the influence of TPA to wane. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1415 "2025-09-23T03:11:15Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Kirk had a unique talent and it’s doubtful that somebody can step in and be as effective as he was. Steven Crowder is no Charlie Kirk. Now I’m curious who came up with the ‘Debate me bro!’ first. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1416 "2025-09-23T03:19:14Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I’m more worried about the deification of Kirk, and to what extent Trump will use this as an excuse to crack down on his enemies. Trump: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me!’ ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1417 "2025-09-23T04:35:03Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Now that all the usual suspects have performatively proclaimed the deification of St. Charlie, how much staying power will his influence turn out to have? Well, Kimmel is reportedly back on the air tomorrow, so the answer appears to be “until we can’t wring another cent from his corpse and/or he starts costing us actual money”. So, maybe another few days? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1418 "2025-09-23T05:44:27Z")
No, it’s not. From [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revised-forum-rules-for-the-bbq-pit-read-this-before-posting/487209): > [@Revised Forum Rules for the BBQ Pit: read this before posting](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revised-forum-rules-for-the-bbq-pit-read-this-before-posting/487209/1): > > **No trolling** > > By trolling, we mean posting of inflammatory comments solely to get a rise out of people. If we feel your primary goal as a poster is to make people mad, you’ll quickly find yourself on the road to banning. On the flip side, the fact that a poster consistently makes you mad doesn’t automatically make them a troll. Obviously, the standards are _much_ laxer here, but if someone were to _only_ post bullshit _just_ to stir shit up, they _could_ be modded even here. (Is that right, @Miller?) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1419 "2025-09-23T05:50:51Z")
You are correct sir! (And I shoulda checked.) From the 2023 rules revision, > [@SDMB rules 9/12/2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-rules-9-12-2023/990013/1): > > **Pit rules.** > 7. All other SDMB rules apply in the BBQ Pit, including but not limited to the rules against _ **Trolling,** _ _ **Hate speech,** _ and _ **Threats** _. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1420 "2025-09-23T05:56:32Z")
No, it isn’t, see above. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=70) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=72)