# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 76
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1501 "2025-09-23T19:55:52Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > If you want to discuss Charlie Kirk quotes I’m game. If you want to discuss your opinion of his religious beliefs and some two bit of theology you just pulled out of your ass I’ll pass. It is super fucking boring, kind of dumb and I would rather watch paint dry. Good! If it’s just quotes, how do you like this one? “If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, ‘Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’” Another joke? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1502 "2025-09-23T20:00:28Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > Properly applied empathy will lead to dialogue that produces best outcomes both short and long term. It should not be used for political purposes. > **[Why Empathy Is the Foundation of Civilization](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-bullied-brain/202504/why-empathy-is-the-foundation-of-civilization)** > > Empathy is being publicly derided as a deadly weakness. According to experts and extensive research, it's one of our greatest strengths. > While you might use your cognitive empathy to read someone like a book, understanding their thinking, feeling, and intending, if you can’t feel their pain, do not relate or respond on a brain level to their thoughts, emotions, and intentions, it might lead you to maltreat them. Yep, like Trump on the maltreating of others with the willful mishandling of the economy, immigration, vaccination, even pain killers. And Charlie Kirk was not a stranger to those things, like he showed when agreeing to moves that dismiss empathy, like anti masking and vaccination doubt. [https://thehill.com/video/charlie-kirk-skewers-ruling-class-on-covid-response-dems-pounce-pointing-blame-at-trump-rising/10981984/](https://thehill.com/video/charlie-kirk-skewers-ruling-class-on-covid-response-dems-pounce-pointing-blame-at-trump-rising/10981984/) > **[Charlie Kirk’s Extreme Vaccine Death Extrapolations Don’t Hold Water, Experts...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/charlie-kirk-extreme-vaccine-death-120325416.html)** > > Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk recently speculated that between 123,000 and 1.2 million people may have died after receiving the coronavirus shots. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1503 "2025-09-23T20:02:11Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > If you want to discuss Charlie Kirk quotes I’m game. Charlie Represented himself and his organization as working toward a Christian Nation. OK, so let’s debate whether, having taken on the task, Charlie was able to represent Christian goals. I am basing my premise on a Charlie quote, which you have acknowledged: Empathy is a necessary part of being a Christian. CK rejected empathy therefore he rejected Christ. You treat the premise so dismissively that you must be able to refute it. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1504 "2025-09-23T20:49:49Z")
Kirk’s idea of a Christian Nation isn’t out of line with modern Christianity. He doesn’t seem to care about closely following Jesus’ words or actions, but neither do many other Christians these days. Christianity means whatever they want it to mean. The positive or negative aspect of Kirk can be evaluated independently of religion. It doesn’t really matter if his version of Christianity is proper or not. Christianity can’t even agree what the proper version of Christianity is. There are thousands of denominations of Christianity with wildly different tenants. Kirk wasn’t coming up with a wildly different version of Christianity. He’s pretty much in line with any evangelical church these days. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1505 "2025-09-23T21:22:06Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > I have deflected on absolutely nothing. A statement disproven by many of your posts here. > [@Pedro](#): > > I gave those answers transparently and honestly, even though I think I am one of the few engaging in good faith. A statement disproven by many of your posts here. > [@Pedro](#): > > I fully expected to be attacked and insulted for this, and for some losers to try to get me banned. Yes we often endeavor to get obvious trolls banned. Shocking, I know. > [@Pedro](#): > > Obviously as a lone conservative voice in a board full of rabid liberals, some of which must have been just recently let loose from the asylum, I am in the minority here and radically changing anyone’s political beliefs or opinion of the events that have transpired is neither needed nor expected of my continued participation here, although it would be a welcome result if it were to happen. Ah, the go-to “you’re all just attacking me because I’m a conservative challenging the hivemind narrative” lie, long beloved of all our right-wing trolls here. Why are the right so terrified of accountability? > [@Pedro](#): > > None of this is strange or unusual or should be confusing to you. No, you’re lying, deflecting, projecting, and claiming victimhood for being held accountable for your words are not strange or unusual to any of us. It is exactly what we’ve come to expect from right-wing trolls. > [@Pedro](#): > > Yes, I do. Your question seems to heavily imply Charlie Kirk believes women should be treated like property. This is absurd. > > Unless you have some way of asking him to clarify what he meant by that, I firmly believe it was a reasonably good joke that is being weaponized out of context for political purposes. “I believe he didn’t mean that thing he literally said” is a fun argument, as was the strawman you chose to build because you couldn’t knock down the actual argument. > [@Pedro](#): > > So sensitive. “Horribly mysoginistic”. Yikes! That does sound horrible to me. What a nightmare it must have been for you to be confronted with the joke “submit to your husband Taylor”. > > Please avoid this kind of light hearted content in the future if it upsets you so much and try to stay safe. Oh look - more of that deflection you claim you don’t do. Repeating the assertion “it was just a joke” doesn’t make it true. > [@Pedro](#): > > Yes I do think it is absurd. No christian conservative I know would ever think this is an acceptable phrase to say in all seriousness, in the context of family values or any other, So you don’t know many Christian conservatives, then. > [@Pedro](#): > > I’m going to take a wild guess and say that demonizing and cancelling anyone who doesn’t think exactly like you has been a major contributing factor to your brain rot. Is that what happened to you and the right? I mean, you’ve been happily demonizing anyone who doesn’t think like you throughout this thread, and we all know what the right has been doing for daring to suggest Kirk wasn’t a saint. > [@Pedro](#): > > My my. Bringing out the big guns now I see. Whatever will I do to defend myself from these accusations? THINK Pedro THINK! You can deflect from them as per usual. Oh wait - you already did. > [@Pedro](#): > > Oh look. It is another brainrotted moron who believes everything and anything is fair game as long as it can be used to score some dumb rhetorical tactical victory and can’t decide what to order at the restaurant today without analyzing it through the lens of an ideological war of extermination. There’s that projection again.. > [@Pedro](#): > > It’s fascinating that some people are too chickenshit to have an argument and like to pretend it is not worth their time but then they will snipe from the sidelines and look for accolades while pretending they totally want to argue in good faith if only they would let them. I wonder if this has been studied before. There’s that projection again. > [@Pedro](#): > > Did JC talk a lot about empathy a lot? I do not remember that Yes. Try Mark 12:31 or Matthew 22:39 for starters (based on Leviticus 19:18). Also Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:26-36, and arguably Matthew 25:40. > [@Pedro](#): > > Obviously Charlie Kirk doesn’t have to justify his religious beliefs to fit your bullshit notion of what constitutes a real Christian that no one really cares about. Obviously you can’t justify Charlie Kirk’s religious beliefs because they fit your bullshit notion of what constitutes a real Christian that is the antithesis of what Jesus taught. And you cared enough about it to tell us how sour those grapes are more than once. Jesus also had a lot to say about liars and hypocrites. And how they were bad. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1506 "2025-09-24T00:23:39Z")
Worth a read: Full title: **Charlie Kirk was a divisive far-right podcaster. Why is he being rebranded as a national hero?** > **[Charlie Kirk was a divisive far-right podcaster. Why is he being rebranded as...](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/23/charlie-kirk-bigoted-far-right-podcaster)** > > Celebrating a bigoted rage-baiter sends a clear message to people of color, LGBTQ+ folks and women > The streets of Washington DC are unmistakable. In addition to noting the city’s signature architecture and public monuments, one will know they are in the nation’s capital when they can barely go half a city block without spotting a US flag. Two weeks ago, those flags were flying at half-staff, but not in recognition of the passing of a high-ranking public official, as would be customary. Instead, the half-staff was ordered by the White House in a highly politicized effort to memorialize the 10 September killing of Charlie Kirk, a 31-year-old podcaster, hard-right party operative, and Maga youth influencer, as an event of national tragedy. > > Kirk ruled over an online fiefdom peddling his signature brand of rage-baiting racist, xenophobic, Islamophobic and misogynistic commentary. It wasn’t just his vitriolic style, but also his popularization of cruelty, humiliation and dehumanization of political opponents – especially college students – that attracted millions to his audience. He famously said empathy was “a made-up, new age term that does a lot of damage”. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1507 "2025-09-24T02:02:32Z")
I would, if I was in the USA, have declined to fly the flag at all, rather than at half mast. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1508 "2025-09-24T03:14:27Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Full title: **Charlie Kirk was a divisive far-right podcaster. Why is he being rebranded as a national hero?** Also, his face was way too small for his head. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1509 "2025-09-24T03:27:03Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > “Submit to your husband” was clearly a joke, he was being facetious and I thought it was funny. Nope, he is totally serious on this point. It was one of his main talking points that a woman’s purpose is to be a wife and mother full stop. > [@Pedro](#): > > Your question seems to heavily imply Charlie Kirk believes women should be treated like property. This is absurd. That women should be treated as property is indeed absurd, but that Kirk believes it is not. Its quite common among conservatives and growing in popularity. Look up the tradwife movement. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1510 "2025-09-24T04:40:26Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Good! If it’s just quotes, how do you like this one? > > “If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, ‘Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’” > > Another joke? No it is not a joke. I’m glad you brought this up. Full context ( [Fact Check: Real Charlie Kirk quote about Black pilot qualifications circulates online](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/fact-check-real-charlie-kirk-214400078.html) ): > KOLVET: We’ve all been in the back of a plane when the turbulence hits or when you’re flying through a storm and you’re like, “I’m so glad I saw the guy with the right stuff and the square jaw get into the cockpit before we took off. And I feel better now, thinking about that.” > > KIRK: You wanna go thought crime? I’m sorry. If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, “Boy, I hope he’s qualified.” > > KOLVET: But you wouldn’t have done that before! > > KIRK: That’s not an immediate … that’s not who I am. That’s not what I believe. > > NEFF: It is the reality the left has created. > > KIRK: I want to be as blunt as possible because now I’m connecting two dots. Wait a second, this CEO just said that he’s forcing that a white qualified guy is not gonna get the job. So I see this guy, he might be a nice person and I say, “Boy, I hope he’s not a Harvard-style affirmative-action student that … landed half of his flight-simulator trials.” > > KOLVET: Such a good point. That’s so fair. > > KIRK: It also … creates unhealthy thinking patterns. I don’t wanna think that way. And no one should, right? … And by the way, then you couple it with the FAA, air-traffic control, they got a bunch of morons and affirmative-action people. Pretty self-explanatory. He later issued this clarification after the left wing media predictably took what he said out of context and attacked him for it: > The essence of that clip that was missed by almost everybody — Jordan Peterson, to his credit, really picked up on it — which was I was trying to be, you know, very vulnerable with the audience is that DEI invites unwholesome thinking. … I was saying in the clip, “That’s not who I am, that’s not what I believe.” But what it does is it makes us worse versions of ourselves, Megyn. That’s the whole point of what I was saying is that I now look at everything through a hyper-racialized diversity-quota lens because of their massive insistence to try to hit these ridiculous racial hiring quotas. Of course I believe anybody of any skin color can become a qualified pilot. I agree with the larger point he was making about racial hiring quotas and DEI. What else do you want to know? Thank you for providing such a clear example where Kirk is unfairly maligned by liberals and his words intentionally taken out of context and distorted to attack and discredit him. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1511 "2025-09-24T04:49:07Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Thank you for providing such a clear example where Kirk is unfairly maligned by liberals and his words intentionally taken out of context and distorted to attack and discredit him. I’m reading the whole quote and I’m seeing a racist who is blaming anti-racists for his racism. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1512 "2025-09-24T04:50:36Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > I’m reading the whole quote and I’m seeing a racist who is blaming anti-racists for his racism. Why am I not surprised by that? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1513 "2025-09-24T04:52:01Z")
Because you’re a racist. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1514 "2025-09-24T04:52:39Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > I’m reading the whole quote and I’m seeing a racist who is blaming anti-racists for his racism. I have to agree. In that context, what I get is, “I’m not that way, _ **but** _, now, because of DEI, when I see a black person in an important role, I now have to assume that they aren’t as competent as a white person would be, because I have to assume that they got that job because of their skin color, not their talent or experience.” In other words: “Really, that’s not me, but I’m having to think in a racist way now.” Which is serious weasel-words about racism. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1515 "2025-09-24T04:53:13Z")
[It wouldn’t be a magaflatearther event without some casual antisemitism.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/tucker-carlson-charlie-kirk-memorial-192322222.html) > [@](#): > > Former Fox News host and right-wing pundit Tucker Carlson has come under fire for the speech he gave Sunday at the memorial service for conservative activist Charlie Kirk, with some online critics labeling his comments as antisemitic. > > During his speech, Carlson remarked that Kirk was a Christian evangelist and that Kirk’s assassination reminded him of his “favorite story ever.” Carlson went on to recount the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, telling those in attendance, “It’s about 2,000 years ago in Jerusalem, and Jesus shows up and he starts talking about the people in power, and he starts doing the worst thing that you can do, which is telling the truth about people, and they hate it and they just go bonkers.” > > “I can just sort of picture the scene in a lamplit room with a bunch of guys sitting around and eating hummus, thinking about what do we do about this guy telling the truth about us,” Carlson continued. “We must make him stop talking. And there’s always one guy with the bright idea, and I can hear him say, ‘I’ve got an idea, why don’t we just kill him? That’ll shut him up. That’ll fix the problem.’ It doesn’t work that way.” [Here’s the deal with firing educators. They’re educated.](https://www.aol.com/articles/educators-fired-charlie-kirk-posts-212410643.html) > [@](#): > > Dozens of educators and faculty members at K-12 schools, colleges and universities across the country were fired after they made comments about the [deadly Sept. 10 shooting](https://abcnews.go.com/US/visual-timeline-charlie-kirk-shooting-unfolded/story?id=125478526) of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. > > Several of these people filed federal lawsuits challenging their terminations, which they say were for posts on their personal social media accounts. > > In the complaints, which were obtained by ABC News, the educators each allege that their First Amendment right to free speech was violated. > > In South Carolina, former teacher aide Lauren Vaughn filed a federal lawsuit against the Spartanburg County School District Five, the board and the superintendent. > > It came after she was allegedly fired over a post in which she shared [Kirk’s own words at a Turning Point USA event](https://abcnews.go.com/US/charlie-kirk-spoke-publicly-receiving-death-threats-time/story?id=125476056) in which he said that it’s “worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year,” in order to have the right to bear arms. She then criticized his beliefs on the Second Amendment, the lawsuit says. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1516 "2025-09-24T04:53:13Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Because you’re a racist. Awww. Here’s a cookie for you. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1517 "2025-09-24T04:54:46Z")
Anyone who lives in the real world knows how DEI actually works. Not the cartoon version of the racist who starts with the assumption that white Christian males are actually the naturally Superior Master Class. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1518 "2025-09-24T05:19:30Z")
Ubermensch class. Get it right. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1519 "2025-09-24T05:21:55Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > I’m reading the whole quote and I’m seeing a racist who is blaming anti-racists for his racism. Yep, this is a similar mentality as the guy that released the whole recording of his group [killing a black guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ahmaud_Arbery) because he sincerely thought that the whole context would exonerate them… racism does gives blinders to the ones falling for it. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1520 "2025-09-24T05:25:53Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Ubermensch class. Get it right. Ya know, LARPing as a Nazi isn’t helping the argument that you’re not a troll, just saying. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=75) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=77)