# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 78
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1541 "2025-09-24T07:34:11Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > The guy was assassinated for speaking. Why the fuck would I care to discuss his views on climate change right now? Context, but you knew that already, so thanks for showing all what a willful ignorant you are by not being aware of who are you defending. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1542 "2025-09-24T07:55:10Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Context, but you knew that already, so thanks for showing all what a willful ignorant you are by not being aware of who are you defending. I’m sure he would be happy to debate against your side on the topic of climate change given the chance. So the only moron here is you trying to stick that climaphobe label and using dumbspeak to witness in favor of science. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1543 "2025-09-24T08:03:52Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > I’m sure he would be happy to debate against your side on the topic of climate change given the chance. No, he’d just lie; not "debate. Being a right winger he was by nature utterly incapable of honesty, just like you. The Right is _consistently_ wrong and dishonest, about everything; if a right winger says something you can assume it to be wrong. Otherwise they wouldn’t be saying it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1544 "2025-09-24T08:04:24Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > So the only moron here is you trying to stick that climaphobe label and using dumbspeak to witness in favor of science. Well, thanks for admitting that besides being an ignorant of the harmful legacy Kirk left, you are only telling us now the type of coward you are. It is the living who has to follow the footsteps of others. It is not my problem if the one you are defending is leading you to a precipice. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1545 "2025-09-24T08:13:32Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > but you continue trying to make the anti vaxx and climate change denier sound reasonable Charlie Kirk was correct about everything he said about vaccines. As Kirk said, vaccines are safe and effective and do not cause Autism. Kirk was often heard to say ‘Tylenol causes Autism’. Doubleplus ~~good~~ Trump ~~Winston~~ Crow, here’s an extra ~~Victory Gin~~ Trump Victory Vodka voucher. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1546 "2025-09-24T08:29:51Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Charlie Kirk was correct about everything he said about vaccines. As Kirk said, vaccines are safe and effective and do not cause Autism. Not what he was, he seeded doubts about covid and vaccine mandates, any recent changes were more lies as he did not mind much what was going on with Kennedy. > **[Thousands of Young Conservatives May Hold Blowout Conference in Florida,...](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/12/young-conservatives-blowout-conference-florida)** > > Despite a raging pandemic, Turning Point USA’s gala and student summit, featuring Tucker Carlson, Don Jr., and other MAGA superstars, is coming to West Palm Beach—and may signal where the GOP’s youth goes as Trump exits the White House. > **[“Apartheid-Style, Open-Air Hostage Situation”: Conservatives Lose Their Minds...](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/07/charlie-kirk-republicans-vaccine-push)** > > Republicans are suggesting the government is going to show up to people’s homes and forcibly vaccinate them. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/29/vaccine-mandates-charlie-kirk-tpusa/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/29/vaccine-mandates-charlie-kirk-tpusa/) ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1547 "2025-09-24T08:35:16Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, he’d just lie; not "debate. Being a right winger he was by nature utterly incapable of honesty, just like you. The Right is _consistently_ wrong and dishonest, about everything; if a right winger says something you can assume it to be wrong. Otherwise they wouldn’t be saying it. I mean, you have to be a performance act at this point, right? You need to keep it believable friend. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1548 "2025-09-24T08:38:05Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > You need to keep it believable friend. You are not my friend, or _anyone’s_ friend. Rightwingers are the enemies of everyone and everything. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1549 "2025-09-24T08:38:15Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > One idea is criticizing racial quotas and DEI. The other is criticizing black people as inherently inferior and under qualified to fly an airplane. Except that his (and the entire right-wing’s) criticism of racial quotas and DEI is **entirely** based on the premise that black people are inherently inferior and underqualified compared to their white (and male and straight and Christian) counterparts, as all the context (you know, that thing you keep telling us is important) indicates. We keep getting told that DEI and racial quotas result in underqualified minorities taking jobs away from more qualified white men, but the reality borne out by long history is that DEI and racial quotas are in place to stop underqualified white men from taking jobs away from more qualified minorities. Which is why the right, the bastion of mediocre white men with an undeserved sense of aggrieved entitlement, oppose DEI and racial quotas so vigorously. But of course you know all this. And are absolutely fine with it. As was Kirk. Which is why he said all those racist and sexist things. > [@Pedro](#): > > I mean, you have to be a performance act at this point, right? You need to keep it believable friend. There’s that projection again. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1550 "2025-09-24T08:51:39Z")
There was an early reply that somehow was referring to you, the actual reply was going to be this one: > [@kambuckta](#): > > Can you fuckers who are engaging Pedro just pop him on ignore please? This thread has gone down the shitter since he arrived, and you fuckers aren’t helping matters by responding to him. > > Thank you for your attention. I understand where are you coming from, but I reply not only to him, but to others, and not only that, it is also so I do learn too… I was aware of Kirk and his lies about white replacement, and other bigoted points. But, I was not aware until now, thanks to more searches, about what a monumental tool he was. Still, it was bad that he was shot, but instead of receiving some privacy, Trump and others had to call attention to his legacy. Of course, they still think that legacy is the best thing since sliced bread, but calling attention only pointed at how antiscience and hateful their ignorance was and is. So after looking at the context, Kirk’s legacy ended up like Rush Limbaugh, who convinced others to ditch masks and vaccines and leading to more than 4 other right wing radio hosts to pay the ultimate price. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1551 "2025-09-24T08:58:48Z")
Also, it was bad that he was shot, but instead of receiving some privacy, Trump and others had to turn his death into a three-ring circus featuring shit flinging monkeys on meth. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1552 "2025-09-24T09:24:55Z")
After your side got the peaceful political activist brutally murdered with your unhinged and violent rhetoric and constant use of intimidation tactics you also wanted these people to go slink away quietly into obscurity and not bother you with all that pesky memorializing for the well respected member of their political movement. In the name of all right wingers everywhere I would like to publicly apologize for the inconvenience this caused you. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1553 "2025-09-24T09:32:54Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > After your side got the peaceful political activist brutally murdered with your unhinged and violent rhetoric and constant use of intimidation tactics you also wanted these people to go slink away quietly into obscurity and not bother you with all that pesky memorializing for the well respected member of their political movement. There’s that projection again. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1554 "2025-09-24T09:36:00Z")
I know that no left-wing send-off for dearly departed figures is complete without a few billion dollars in property damage but we did the best we could with the time available. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1555 "2025-09-24T09:38:35Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > all that pesky memorializing Remind me what the history of having pyrotechnic displays at wakes is again? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1556 "2025-09-24T09:38:35Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > I know that not left-wing send-off for dearly departed figures is complete without a few billion dollars in property damage but we did the best we could with the time available. And there’s that brain rot again. I know that no right-wing rhetoric is complete without lies, hypocrisy and outright delusion but we know you did the best you can. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1557 "2025-09-24T09:41:22Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > And there’s that brain rot again. I heard that they burnt down entire cities right here on this board! And I’m still waiting for octopus to present cites that prove it. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1558 "2025-09-24T09:49:11Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > I have deflected on absolutely nothing. Demonstrably untrue, as can be seen by anyone reading this thread over the past week or so. At least so far. You are free to go back and actually address any of those unanswered posts just to prove us wrong but you don’t. Here’s another question you probably won’t answer: what currency are you paid at your job? Dollars? Euros? Rubles? Renminbi? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1559 "2025-09-24T09:52:18Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I heard that they burnt down entire cities right here on this board! > And I’m still waiting for octopus to present cites that prove it. Whereas the violent insurrectionists that attacked the Capitol on January 6 were just peaceful tourists who walked right in. The 140 police officers injured (some quite seriously) and the $1.5million in damage were all coincidental. Mind you, if one wanted to view “unhinged and violent rhetoric and constant use of intimidation tactics” one couldn’t do much better than the reaction of the right to Kirk’s murder from the moment he died, long before the shooter and his motives were identified. But that’s not part of the context we’re supposed to consider. Nor are we supposed to remember the right-wing shootings of the Hortmanns in Minnesota nor the attack on Paul Pelosi nor the attempted kidnapping of Gretchen Whitman nor the reaction of Trump and the right to all of those. And we’re certainly not supposed to remember that the same day Kirk was shot a far-right shooter with antisemitic and neo-Nazi views shot up a school in Colorado and the right said exactly nothing about it, presumably because they only care about “antisemitism” when they can use it as an excuse to suppress dissent. No, only the official Trumpian narrative matters. And if it’s the opposite of what it was yesterday, you must be remembering incorrectly. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1560 "2025-09-24T09:52:43Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Really – I’m shocked that you have a join date of 2000. You seem like an account that would’ve been made recently. Is it possible that this account was made in 2000, was inactive for a long while, and only now has “Pedro” started posting again….? 🤨 My understanding is that long dormant accounts don’t go away, they just float there, unused but still usable. Food for thought. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=77) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=79)