# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/141 "2025-09-10T22:26:01Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > MSNBC to say that the shooting “may have been a supporter shooting off a gun in celebration.” That’s not the way it happened. The comment was speculation made by a guest very early on. But you wouldn’t know that if you read right-wing media. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/142 "2025-09-10T22:28:54Z")
Moderating: > [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Did they dip a MAGA flag in the blood? > [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > All they have to do to defuse the situation is insist that the killing wasn’t political in nature, rather a lover’s quarrel. > [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > A large number of the youths liked this guy, huh? Did he have a molecule of cool? > [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > He died doing what he loved. > [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > A poor mountaineer barely kept his family fed. Five posts in this topic and not a one of them with any meaningful content. You’re just making comments for shock value. Knock it off. You do this a lot, and it’s getting old. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/143 "2025-09-10T22:32:08Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > It is going to elevate him to martyr status and will justify retaliatory violence against democrats even if it turns out the shooter is a republican. > **[Man charged with killing a top Minnesota House Democrat pleads not guilty | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/07/us/vance-boelter-minnesota-lawmakers-shot)** > > The man charged with killing the top Democrat in the Minnesota House and her husband, and wounding a state senator and his wife, pleaded not guilty Thursday in federal court. I think it is too late for that, and that took place even with no Republican killed before. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/144 "2025-09-10T22:32:19Z")
Apparently actually in custody now according to the WSJ. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/145 "2025-09-10T22:36:08Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > SeniorBeef’s point is taken Oh to be clear I wasn’t making any judgement about how people reacted to his death, just personal surprise and an observation. I am most certainly not playing the role of the person judging and admonishing people for making jokes or celebrating his death. There’s a fine moral case that people cause a net negative to the world dying is not a bad thing. It was weird to me because Reddit, who I expected to be more joyous, was more reserved and civil than expected and this thread so far the opposite which was completely against my expectations. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/146 "2025-09-10T22:40:37Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Apparently actually in custody now according to the WSJ. I’m seeing conflicting reports. Literally. I’m seeing statements that the person is in custody, then updates saying that isn’t correct and a manhunt is underway. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/147 "2025-09-10T22:41:52Z")
One bad thing about celebrating such a thing is that it benefits the propaganda of the other side. I was reading the comments on National Review and… it’s bad. _Saying_ our side is celebrating and openly calling for lots of negative things against us (some but not all violent). ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/148 "2025-09-10T22:42:14Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > SeniorBeef’s point is taken – I do not celebrate any death, but some deaths are more … regrettable? Can’t find the right word. I’m not going to celebrate his death, but I’m also not going to lament it. He made life much more miserable for people I’m close to, and the sentiments he expressed drove people to suicide. Ten years ago I would have felt differently, but my capacity for empathy has been diminished by the complete lack of it from the other side. I _do_ lament what his killing will do to political discourse and society as a whole, but I’m not sad that he’s no longer around. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/149 "2025-09-10T22:44:30Z")
Fuck all that hand wringing We live in a post truth society; people are going to believe whatever they want. This man reaped what he sowed. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/150 "2025-09-10T22:44:50Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > > > Apparently actually in custody now according to the WSJ. > > I’m seeing conflicting reports. > > Literally. I’m seeing statements that the person is in custody, then updates saying that isn’t correct and a manhunt is underway. CNN is reporting that a manhunt is underway. Apparently the “suspect in custody” report came from the university and was later corrected by CNN; while a suspect was indeed briefly in custody, it was not the shooter and he was released. Meanwhile the governor of Utah, who’s actually a fairly moderate Republican if there can be such a creature these days, is fanning the flames by declaring the shooting “a political assassination”. It seems that one of the characteristics of contemporary Republicans is that they “know” things that no one else does, at least when it suits their political agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/151 "2025-09-10T22:45:04Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > I was reading the comments on National Review and… it’s bad. _Saying_ our side is celebrating and openly calling for lots of negative things against us (some but not all violent). They said that when Joe Biden ate ice cream. Fuck 'em. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/152 "2025-09-10T22:47:24Z")
I feel bad for his children but not for him. I’ll save my sympathy for the hundreds of thousands that will die due to the breakup of USAid and the hundreds of thousands that will die due to the gutting of science and stopping of medical research at the hands of the guy with the brain worm that died of starvation. One less MAGA guy- not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/153 "2025-09-10T22:47:29Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > I’m not going to celebrate his death, but I’m also not going to lament it. He made life much more miserable for people I’m close to, and the sentiments he expressed drove people to suicide. Ten years ago I would have felt differently, but my capacity for empathy has been diminished by the complete lack of it from the other side. > > I _do_ lament what his killing will do to political discourse and society as a whole, but I’m not sad that he’s no longer around. I agree with all of this, and I think it’s a reasoned position. You said it better than I could. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats2)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/154 "2025-09-10T22:47:38Z")
I must admit to a twinge of schadenfreude when I read about this. Especially in the eerie happenstance that he was discussing gun violence at the moment of his death. But this is NOT a good thing. This is just going to make the political climate in this country horrendously worse. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/155 "2025-09-10T22:52:29Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats2](#): > > But this is NOT a good thing. This is just going to make the political climate in this country horrendously worse. I think it actually does matter who killed him. If it’s a true lefty, then yes, it will be weaponized. But let’s say it’s a loony right wing Epstein obsessed Qanon guy. Yes, people will lie and distort his history to blame the left, but it won’t have nearly as much traction. And in that case I predict that Kirk’s death will have the same impact as Trump’s assassination attempts (which isn’t much, in that it didn’t really cause material changes in our lives) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/156 "2025-09-10T22:58:18Z")
Every time there is a shooting event involving a celebrity or mass killing, I hope that the perpetrator was a right wing white heterosexual Christian red state male. Anyone else would put kerosene on the fire. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/157 "2025-09-10T22:59:24Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats2](#): > > But this is NOT a good thing. So, conservatives have this belief that liberals are all limp wristed pussies who would sit in the corner and cry while you broke into their homes and raped their wives. I think if conservatives learn liberals are willing to defend themselves and defend marginalized groups, they may pull back on the evil things they do. Charlie Kirk said that gun deaths are a price society has to be willing to pay to protect the 2nd amendment. However when he said that, he obviously meant other people’s deaths, like school children. He didn’t mean his own death. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/158 "2025-09-10T22:59:32Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Every time there is a shooting event involving a celebrity or mass killing, I hope that the perpetrator was a right wing white heterosexual Christian red state male. Anyone else would put kerosene on the fire. Yeah. 500 nutty right-wing shooters, but it’s the one leftie that they’ll raise high. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/159 "2025-09-10T23:02:13Z")
Person of interest in custody, per [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/charlie-kirk-shot-utah-09-10-25). > Authorities in Utah said there was an active investigation and that there is a person of interest in custody. Investigators say they are interviewing that person. FBI Director Kash Patel has said “the subject for the horrific shooting” was in custody. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/160 "2025-09-10T23:04:06Z")
Exactly. We’re so far past the point where removing part of Charlie Kirk’s corotid artery in public will move the needle. Normal doesn’t matter anymore. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=9)