# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 87
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2025, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1721 "2025-09-25T22:23:06Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > Please clarify. You Tube has ample evidence of non-serious CK theater and my link above is to Turning Point materials. He was a well paid entertainer. He believed in what he did and was good at it. It is a legitimate and respected form of political activism using different platforms and deliveries. So much so that many in the left want to emulate it. Receiving financial compensation, if your numbers are to be trusted, isn’t a moral indictment or character flaw. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2025, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1722 "2025-09-25T22:25:44Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > This reminds me of the many times I’ve seen a conservative barge into a situation they perceived (rightly or wrongly) as “liberal”, take a giant shit on the floor, then run away giggling to tell their friends about how they made the leftists cry. Really, at best you’re annoying. The janitor gets called to clean up the mess and the conservatives are completely forgotten the next day, if not sooner. > > You are neither as remarkable nor as powerful nor as memorable as you would like to think you are. Which is why so many can’t remember why or when they put you on ignore, or even if they’ve seen a post by you before. Despite being here for 25 years. > > How sad, that the highlight of your time here is your pathetic mewlings in this thread. You are entertaining, I’ll give you that but this new theory of my psyche is about as accurate as I’ve come to expect from you. Although I am remarkable for making fun so aptly of some of the amoral degenerates in this thread, thank you very much, the popularity contest you are imagining in your feverish imagination is really only important to you. I’m mostly embarassed to be seen around here these days. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2025, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1723 "2025-09-25T22:28:34Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > He believed in what he did and was good at it. Of course he knew exactly what he was doing. An entertainer has to know how to work a room. And grifters know how to work it for max dollars. Follow the link and scroll down. The numbers are the non-profits disclosure. The memorial was very profitable. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2025, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1724 "2025-09-25T22:43:42Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > Of course he knew exactly what he was doing. An entertainer has to know how to work a room. And grifters know how to work it for max dollars. Follow the link and scroll down. The numbers are the non-profits disclosure. > > The memorial was very profitable. He was moved by convictions and wasn’t a grifter, was my point. Nobody seriously disputes this. You also cut out the rest of my quote. He gave a lot back to Turning Point USA. I haven’t had time to go over this issue in detail. Anyway, as I said, profit is not an indictment on anyone. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2025, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1725 "2025-09-25T23:03:31Z")
“But when you come to Heritage USA, remember to bring your Bible and your VISA card – because the Bible is the Holy Truth, and God doesnt take American Express.” — Jim Bakker ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2025, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1726 "2025-09-25T23:46:52Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > > [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > > > So I can say without fear of repercussion that I don’t know when or why I put **Pedro** on ignore > > Was it this thread? > > > [@](#): > > > > This is the central meaning of this event, regardless of the killer’s actual motivation. Well, I do see I participated in that thread so, if he did too, it’s possible, but it’s not like I keep a list. FWIW, while some posters do end up on ignore because I have had enough/too many frustrating exchanges with them, the vast majority are people that I have ignored just because I see from how they respond to other people that they are worthless, low down, no good, cowardly trolls, racists, homophobes, xenophobes, and/or transphobes who are manifestly not worth my time to even read let alone reply to. Plus the occasionally genocide fanboy. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2025, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1727 "2025-09-25T23:57:11Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > He gave a lot back to Turning Point USA. Charlie didn’t give anything to Turning Point USA, he was an employee. TPU sucks about $85million out of the economy and gives just under $400,000 to Charlie in salary and benefits annually. Charlie was smart about formal debate and he had a library of one liners and put downs for set situations. His performance was a vaudeville act that involved some of the audience on stage. It was a good act and it paid well. Nothing wrong there. Kinda like Jerry Lewis making $1500 a week as a bus boy at Grossingers. He had a skilled act and he knew his audience. Nothing wrong there. Same with Charlie. The problem is when you move to the combination of politics and religion. Legitimate corporate religions publish their creeds and forms of worship. They generally maintain some distance between themselves and the government. At least a distance that is recognized by tradition. Charlies act has no published creed. You do not know what, if anything, he stands for. He is just a flippant performer feeding the audience of the day. Whatever pays. Can you tell me what he believed in terms of a consistent creed? Can you tell me what Conservative stands for? If Turning Point is successful in penetrating education, what will they teach our children? You cannot. He was just a paid entertainer with a good schtick. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1728 "2025-09-26T00:15:27Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I expect you’d think Sainted Ronald Reagan was a flaming Liberal Leftist, and Nixon even more Antifa yet. Nixon did serve as a Naval officer during WWII. It’s hard to get more anti-fascist than that. Reagan was a union president. Sounds pretty leftist if you ask me. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1729 "2025-09-26T00:37:07Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > school shootings are such a complex and delicate issue to address Only in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1730 "2025-09-26T00:40:42Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > I’m mostly embarassed to be seen around here these days. Then don’t let the door hit you in the ass when you leave. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1731 "2025-09-26T00:41:15Z")
@Pedro - Turning Point Mission Statement: ### The organization’s mission is to identify, educate, train, and organize students to promote the principles of fiscal responsibility, free markets, and limited government. Another one for comparison: **Against the threat of fascism in the United States, we stand with the workers of our country, and the working class of the whole world: for health care for all, for affordable housing for all, for an end to income inequality, for the unity and autonomy of the whole working class, and against racism, sexism, and all injustice.** ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1732 "2025-09-26T00:42:00Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > I haven’t had time to go over this issue in detail. You never have time to go over anything in detail. You never return to anything you’ll say you’ll come back to later. Bored now. I am no longer entertained. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1733 "2025-09-26T00:49:30Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I am no longer entertained. [![](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6b/9e/6d/6b9e6dd53071be287fbbe5b251439063.jpg) ](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6b/9e/6d/6b9e6dd53071be287fbbe5b251439063.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1734 "2025-09-26T00:50:25Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I’m totally amazed that he thinks he can dodge the actual question. Maybe he was dodgeball champion in third grade and that was the high pooint of his life. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1735 "2025-09-26T01:10:37Z")
That’s one hell of a post, and I salute you! (Not like a military salute, more like I hold up my beer and nod towards you.) ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1736 "2025-09-26T01:31:04Z")
Is anybody selling dashboard Charlies yet? ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1737 "2025-09-26T01:31:52Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > Can you tell me what he believed in terms of a consistent creed? Can you tell me what Conservative stands for? If Turning Point is successful in penetrating education, what will they teach our children? > > You cannot. He was just a paid entertainer with a good schtick. OK you got me. Congratulations. For a moment I thought you were serious. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1738 "2025-09-26T01:40:53Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Well, I do see I participated in that thread so, if he did too, it’s possible, but it’s not like I keep a list. FWIW, while some posters do end up on ignore because I have had enough/too many frustrating exchanges with them, the vast majority are people that I have ignored just because I see from how they respond to other people that they are worthless, low down, no good, cowardly trolls, racists, homophobes, xenophobes, and/or transphobes who are manifestly not worth my time to even read let alone reply to. Plus the occasionally genocide fanboy. Oh look, it’s the inbred misogynist who can’t seem to stay away from me. Are you sure you don’t need to be on some kind of FBI watch list for left wing terrorists? ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1739 "2025-09-26T03:37:00Z")
I’ll drink to that! ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1740 "2025-09-26T03:51:11Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > OK you got me. I withdraw. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=86) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=88)