# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 88
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1741 "2025-09-26T04:09:27Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Is anybody selling dashboard Charlies yet? Nah. There’s a Pez dispenser, but that was poorly thought out. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1742 "2025-09-26T05:01:41Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > Charlie is a fraud because he has no strong religious beliefs. He has no creed or tradition. He is an opportunist who uses a ubiquitous religious concept to disguise his money making fraud. > > Charlie performs theater for a segment of the population that is willing to pay well for it. That is allowed in our society, but that doesn’t make it serious or true. > > If guns are to protect us against potential tyrants, then he justified the manner of his death. I have to agree, thanks to what the rock headed poster pointed about Kirk, he is giving us context, alright; but not the whole one. Kirk was concentrating before with conservative economics. But he just fell for the dark side, and pumped the religion and anti science like many extremists did before. > **[‘The devil is not gonna win’: how Charlie Kirk became a Christian nationalist...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/20/charlie-kirk-martyr-christian-nationalist-movement)** > > The rightwing pundit’s meteoric career was in some ways a microcosm of the rise of Trump-era Christian nationalism > Kirk’s own evolution was striking: he [went](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/charlie-kirk-turning-point-donald-trump-christian-nationalism-rcna156565) from saying, in 2018, that it was important that Christians respect the separation of church and state to denying that any such separation existed in the US constitution. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1743 "2025-09-26T05:10:10Z")
And in more news of the hagiography front, we have the following. [Chaotic meeting renames stretch of highway in Florida after Kirk.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/dare-florida-council-meeting-erupts-002253727.html) (The **bolding** is mine.) > [@](#): > > A county meeting in [Florida](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/florida) descended into shouting, profanity, and the ejection of community members over a proposal to rename a road for the late conservative activist [Charlie Kirk](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/maga-charlie-kirk-extreme-right-b2829924.html), who was assassinated earlier this month. > > The anger came as the Lake County Commission considered a proposal, which ultimately got unanimous approval, to rename a stretch of road as the [Charlie Kirk](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/charlie-kirk-death-turning-point-usa-b2824186.html) Memorial Highway. > > The majority of public commenters at the Tuesday meeting opposed the plan, including resident Gavin Brown, who argued the county should name roads after local figures who had served the community like veterans or law enforcement, such as [Bradley Link](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/florida-shooting-bradley-link-sulpizio-b2593574.html), a sheriff’s deputy who was killed last year. > > “Wouldn’t it be more suitable and ideal to have a memorial to honor someone who fought to serve and protect us, have a true [Lake County](https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/north-america/usa/florida) resident who was a brave American hero?” Brown said. > > “In these dark, dystopian times, let’s remember Deputy Link, and let’s look at things we can do to unite, and not divide us, and that includes you, Mr. Sabatini,” Brown added, referring to Lake County Commissioner [Anthony Sabatini](https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-republican-defends-tweeting-quote-191923982.html), who proposed the name change. > > The comments angered the Republican leader. > > “How dare you use that deputy’s name for your petty bullsh\*t political argument!” Sabatini said. “How dare you!” [And, of course, mandatory membership in ~~Hitler Youth~~ Turning Point USA in schools.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/schools-boss-unveils-bonkers-plan-093843557.html) (The **bolding** is mine. The Nazi resemblance is not accidental.) > [@](#): > > A leading MAGA education official has announced plans to establish chapters of Turning Point USA, the conservative organization founded by slain [MAGA influencer Charlie Kirk](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/opinion-why-cannot-allow-charlie-003423356.html), in every high school across his state. > > Oklahoma State Superintendent of Public Instruction [Ryan Walters unveiled the proposal](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/maga-school-boss-ryan-walters-023747316.html) on Tuesday and warned schools would be punished if they refused to take part. > > “For far too long, we have seen radical leftists with the teachers union dominate classrooms and push woke indoctrination on our kids,” Walters said in a video posted to social media. > > “They fight parents’ rights, they push parents out of the classroom, and they lie to our kids about American history. What we’re going to continue to do is make sure that our kids understand American greatness, engage in civic dialogue, and have that open discussion.” > > Kirk, a hugely influential figure in the young conservative movement, was shot and killed during a speaking event in Utah on Sept. 10. [His widow, Erika Kirk](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/kirk-widow-forgives-killer-she-224434070.html), has since been named CEO of Turning Point USA. > > Nearly a week after Kirk’s death, the group claimed it had received [more than 54,000](https://www.thedailybeast.com/turning-point-usa-reveals-huge-number-of-signups-after-charlie-kirks-death/)requests to start a chapter at a high school or college across the country. > > In an interview with Oklahoma news station [KOKH,](https://okcfox.com/news/local/supt-walters-says-he-wants-a-tpusa-chapter-on-every-high-school-campus-by-end-of-year-state-superintendent-ryan-walters-oklahoma-education-charlie-kirk-turning-point-usa) Walters warned that schools refusing to establish a Turning Point USA chapter could face penalties. > > “We would go after their accreditation. We would go after their certificates. So yeah, they would be in danger of not being a school district if they decided to reject a club that is here to promote civic engagement,” Walters said. > > “Absolutely, they would be violating the law. They would be violating the rules set forth to them by our agency. Everything would be on the table in that scenario.” Those are some big words for someone from a state ranking 50 in education out of the 50 states and DC. Seriously, how soon will it be when they start tearing down crosses on their churches and erecting a giant K in their place in the _Brave New America_? ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1744 "2025-09-26T08:18:52Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Those are some big words for someone from a state ranking 50 in education out of the 50 states and DC. Totally relevant. All your education probably consisted of indoctrination, that’s why you are this stupid but don’t worry, there are good people working to fix this so it can be prevented in the future. > [@Monty](#): > > Seriously, how soon will it be when they start tearing down crosses on their churches and erecting a giant K in their place in the _Brave New America_? Seriously, get a brain scan. Violating the law is not OK. Not to push your extremist political agendas nor for any other reason. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1745 "2025-09-26T08:55:51Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I have to agree, thanks to what the rock headed poster pointed about Kirk, he is giving us context, alright; but not the whole one. Kirk was concentrating before with conservative economics. > > But he just fell for the dark side, and pumped the religion and anti science like many extremists did before. Here is some context for you in the hopes that you develop better critical thinking skills science boy. I see a lot of baseless inferences without evidence to support it and a biased news article trying to paint Kirk as aligned with movements for which he never publicly expressed any support other than being see in the company of these people. He was a Christian who would like the US to stay true to its Christian roots. Yawn. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1746 "2025-09-26T09:16:45Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > I don’t know why his strong religious beliefs are tripping you up so much or making you think he is a fraud. It was his truth that certain rights were granted by God. So what if he believes this? Many people in society and public life have beliefs I consider to be wacky. Unless they are impinging on my shit I do not go around calling them out on it and what not. Except that Kirk’s and TPUSA’s entire shtick was “impinging on other people’s shit”. Right-wing indoctrination was his and their entire intent. There was certainly no good faith involved, and the presence of any faith at all is questionable. But he got a lot of money and influence and people like you lining up to fellate him out of it, so why not tell himself it’s all God’s will? And yes, I’m aware that you think education is indoctrination and indoctrination is education and more guns will produce fewer shootings and that the ass you keep getting handed to you is some kind of victory trophy. Reality really isn’t _your_ shtick. > [@Pedro](#): > > I’m mostly embarassed to be seen around here these days. We’re all embarrassed about you too. All you’ve got is a cavalcade of lies, projection and right-wing dogma and yet you still think you’re “winning”? > [@Pedro](#): > > He was moved by convictions and wasn’t a grifter, was my point. Nobody seriously disputes this. Lots of people seriously dispute this, and for good reason and with evidence. But trotting out the “everybody knows” line is standard for right-wing assertions people know they are unable to support. > [@Pedro](#): > > For a moment I thought you were serious. Something no one can claim about you. Well, you might be serious about this: > [@Pedro](#): > > He was a Christian who would like the US to stay true to its Christian roots. But only because your grasp of history is as weak as your grasp of the rest of reality. > [@Pedro](#): > > All your education probably consisted of indoctrination, that’s why you are this stupid but don’t worry, there are good people working to fix this so it can be prevented in the future. Yes, the right are working hard to prevent people from being educated in the future. And you think this is good. > [@Pedro](#): > > Violating the law is not OK. Not to push your extremist political agendas nor for any other reason. But enough about the American right-wing. > [@Pedro](#): > > I see a lot of baseless inferences without evidence to support it …and then you post them. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1747 "2025-09-26T10:13:54Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Seriously, how soon will it be when they start tearing down crosses on their churches and erecting a giant K in their place in the _Brave New America_? This just occurred to me. These white Christian nationalists say they believe in the Trinity. They might as well put up three Ks. > [@Pedro](#): > > Totally relevant. All your education probably consisted of indoctrination, that’s why you are this stupid but don’t worry, there are good people working to fix this so it can be prevented in the future. I got a very good education, even in Dixie where I graduated high scool and in California where I graduated university. And here’s the amount of indoctrination I got: zero. I also learned the difference between _relevant_ and _irrelevant_. > [@Pedro](#): > > Seriously, get a brain scan. Violating the law is not OK. Not to push your extremist political agendas nor for any other reason. Where did I say violating the law is okay. Your hero, by the way, is a convicted felon and I’ve always said that’s not okay. And what, exactly, is my “exetremist political agenda”? > [@Pedro](#): > > Here is some context for you in the hopes that you develop better critical thinking skills science boy. Surprise! Surprise! Surprise! Yet another magaflathearther who’s against science. Shocker, I know. > [@Pedro](#): > > He was a Christian who would like the US to stay true to its Christian roots. The United States of America does not have Christian roots. It’s rather boring your herd keeps bleating that nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1748 "2025-09-26T10:19:07Z")
Did I say Christian roots? What I meant to say is diversity is the strength on which the US was built. This the correct accepted phraseology these days right? I really want to get this right. Please ask your professor if you need to. I know rewriting history is convenient but you’re not fooling anybody. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1749 "2025-09-26T10:32:38Z")
I’m disappointed no one has more controversial Charlie Kirk quotes to debate. I saw a fake-ass screenshot of a Charlie Kirk tweet being posted before. Maybe that could be mined some more to spread lies and denigrate the man? Thanks to the poster who was honest and smart enough to point out the false smear by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1750 "2025-09-26T10:40:52Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > your grasp of history is as weak as your grasp of the rest of reality. > [@Pedro](#): > > Did I say Christian roots? What I meant to say is diversity is the strength on which the US was built. This the correct accepted phraseology these days right? I really want to get this right. Please ask your professor if you need to. > > I know rewriting history is convenient but you’re not fooling anybody. Thank you for continuing to prove me correct. The United States of America, as founded in the late 18th century, was created explicitly as a secular nation built on Enlightenment principles and explicitly rejecting government endorsement of any religion. This view was confirmed by multiple “Founding Fathers” including Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. And “E pluribus unum” has been the traditional motto of the United States from its inception, first appearing on coins in 1786. So it’s been the “accepted phraseology” for centuries. I know rewriting history is convenient but you’re not fooling anybody. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1751 "2025-09-26T12:04:08Z")
The fact that religious liberty is enshrined in the constitution and a cornerstone of American identity doesn’t change the fact that the US was founded by people who overwhelmingly had Christian beliefs and values. Anyway this is not something I wish to litigate here, just another big nothing burger as far as Kirk’s ideology is concerned. Since sharing links about white christian nationalism is apparently in vogue, I like this opinion piece myself: [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/3824059/christian-nationalism-charlie-kirk-and-the-useful-idiots-of-left-wing-hate/](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/3824059/christian-nationalism-charlie-kirk-and-the-useful-idiots-of-left-wing-hate/) ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1752 "2025-09-26T12:16:54Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Where did I say violating the law is okay. OK I misunderstood then. I thought you were against allowing opening Turning Point USA chapters in schools. Turns out it was just some bullshit excuse to call your political opponents Nazis. You just want to pile more violent rhetoric on top of this. Carry on then. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1753 "2025-09-26T12:20:19Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > OK I misunderstood then. It is great, even outstanding, that you recognize your failures… rare for a troll > [@](#): > > I thought you were against allowing opening Turning Point USA chapters in schools As should you. Political indoctrination has no place in education. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1754 "2025-09-26T12:22:12Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > I thought you were against allowing opening Turning Point USA chapters in schools. Which violates what law exactly??? ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1755 "2025-09-26T12:25:52Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > It is great, even outstanding, that you recognize your failures… rare for a troll You are still here too moron? Good to know. I know that this must be a scary moment for you right now because your world view is being challenged in some small way but even a feeble minded cretin with bad breath like you should be able to pull through. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1756 "2025-09-26T12:27:50Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > The fact that religious liberty is enshrined in the constitution and a cornerstone of American identity doesn’t change the fact that the US was founded by people who overwhelmingly had Christian beliefs and values. > > Anyway this is not something I wish to litigate here, just another big nothing burger as far as Kirk’s ideology is concerned. Thank you for confirming that you were “beaten to a pulp” for promoting blatant lies, and are now crying and running away. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1757 "2025-09-26T12:31:17Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Good to know. I know that this must be a scary moment for you right now because your world view is being challenged You are an extraordinarily stupid troll, and I can only imagine one whose other accounts have been banned for similar inanity. Until you pop up again with a simililar troll account, I bid you adieu. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1758 "2025-09-26T12:53:28Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Thank you for confirming that you were “beaten to a pulp” for promoting blatant lies, and are now crying and running away. Just because you can wear me down with your repetitive bullshit doesn’t mean I ran away but enjoy your moment anyway. I know you were giddy in anticipation and I do not want to take that away from you. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1759 "2025-09-26T12:57:19Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Thank you for confirming that you were “beaten to a pulp” for promoting blatant lies, and are now crying and running away. It is noted that he claims to follow critical thinking… by following the talking points of Kirk and his ilk. So according to him I was a religious critic and now I’m a science boy. He is as consistent as baby poop. When his only counter to the reports of how opportunistic Kirk and Turning Point were/are are not countered with cites, it is clear that there is no critical thinking involved, or he is aware of how shitty his sources are. > **[Charlie Kirk once pushed a 'secular worldview.' Now he's fighting to make...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/charlie-kirk-turning-point-donald-trump-christian-nationalism-rcna156565)** > > In 2018, Kirk urged conservative Christians to respect the separation of church and state. Today, he calls that foundational principle “a fabrication.” ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2025, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1760 "2025-09-26T13:02:43Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > The fact that religious liberty is enshrined in the constitution and a cornerstone of American identity doesn’t change the fact that the US was founded by people who overwhelmingly had Christian beliefs and values. Most Christian values aren’t really any different than basic morality. Don’t kill people, don’t steal, don’t lie. Not really any different than the values of any other culture or religion. Sure, the founders were Christians, but it’s pretty evident that they wanted a clear distinction between religion and government. If they wanted the US to be a Christian nation, they could have created an amendment that said something like “A belief in Christianity, being necessary to maintain the morality of the state, shall be imposed on every citizen”. Even so, it’s fine for people like Kirk to try to expand Christianity. Being in a nation with freedom of religion means all religions are free to try to gain followers. If they get into power, they may create laws that are in line with their religion. But that doesn’t mean that Christianity has a right to be the official state religion just because the founders happened to mostly be Christians. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=87) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=89)